What makes a shotgun tactical?

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#1 People and Animals.... both fit the scenario.

#2 your best tactic is to hold your opponent at range and use superior firepower and numbers to encourage them to piss off or suppress and move up/out untill you eliminate the threat, be it 100M or 10M all that matters is that you can keep them out of the fight while others or yourself move into the best location to kill them, What weapon you have in your hands at any given time is not always your choice but you do what you can with what you have.

I agree. However, anyone who poses a threat outside 25 yards is probably armed with a long gun most likely a rifle. Why not run a rifle from the word go. Anything you can do with a shotgun at short range you can do with a rifle and your rifle excels at extended range when compared to the shotgun. If the shotgun is all you have make do. If you have the choice the shotgun is not the ideal solution.

TDC
 
I'd say if it's practical it's tactical.

Say what you will about side saddles, rails, and lights. They're far more practical than engraving, fancy carved wood, and gold inlays.
 
"Tactical" implies you have a job before you to perfom. Therefore, a tactical firearm is one which assists you in completing a task, ( as opposed to leisurely hunting, I guess)
 
As has been said before, tactical refers to one way a gun may be used where as practical describes a gun design that suits it to a particular purpose. Many of the guns described as tactical would not be the first choice of anyone who intends to use the gun for fighting. Lets consider some problems.

The typical magazine fed repeating shotgun is not difficult to load, and speed loading should be part of your training. The addition of a magazine extension causes more problems than it solves. It makes the gun heavier and makes it more likely to run out of ammo when you would prefer it did not. The tendency is to continually stuff additional shells into the magazine that holds only 4 or 5, but a 9 or 10 shot magazine is apt to run dry due to negligence. An empty gun in a gunfight is not a good thing.

There is an interest in the very short shotguns from Dlask, sporting barrels shorter than a foot in length. These guns have two problems that I can see. A 10 round magazine is too much but a 2 round magazine isn't quite enough. The short barrel and forearm might cause a shooter in the heat of combat to extend his support hand forward of the muzzle. An empty gun is bad, but shooting off your hand is worse.

As for attempting to give the shotgun the look of an AR on steroids, I suppose it comes down to personal tastes. It doesn't do much for me, and I don't see the advantage over a conventional stock, but these things sell so there must be folks who see things I don't.

When a shotgun is to be used as a powerful rifle, all sorts of sights can be utilized. I like the ghost ring and post, so that's what is on my gun. A reflex sight or even a low power scope have their place, and under some circumstances are a better choice, but if the gun is to see hard use, I think it is better to keep things simple.

A sling on a shotgun is a good thing. If it is a sling that allows the shooter to use it for support in addition to a carry strap, so much the better.

I do like the looks of a ventilated hand guard on a short barrel shotgun, I don't know why, but ever since I first saw a '97 trench gun, I liked that look. But these things actually have a practical purpose as well. If you train for fighting, that barrel is going to get hot, and the hand guard will protect your hand. Something to consider though is if you take a fall or the gun is dropped, that hand-guard will help protect the barrel.
 
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Whats the sense of having lights,lasers and a optics on a home defence weapon. I doubt you will have time to turn all that on plus load. and why light your self up like a big neon sign for the intruder to shoot at when it's your home You already have a tactical advantage.
What good is a pimped up shotgun if you don't practice with it, I know a few people with very nice tactical shotty's but the have only put 30rds through it.
Use what your best with, muscle memory is the key so why waste precious moments fumbling around.
Tactical weapons is a hobby to me it's great fun.
 
"Tactical" implies you have a job before you to perfom. Therefore, a tactical firearm is one which assists you in completing a task, ( as opposed to leisurely hunting, I guess)

Bingo!!! The situation dictates the tactics and the tactics dictate the tool used.

Even in leisurely hunting a Mil surp bolt action is a excellent tactical choice for certain types of hunting!

The word "tactical" is most used "tactically" by marketing people to sell stupid crap that serves a limited to no purpose.....

Buy less bolt on crap and more ammo. No "Tactical" bolt on is a substitute for training OR trigger time.
 
Being loaded and acurately pointed at an enemy before he can defend himself.

tactical
adjective
of, or relating to tactics
of, or relating to military operations that are smaller or more local than strategic ones
adroit, skilful or ingenious

For example: my coachgun will be loaded and cocked and acurately pointed just before the bad guy realises i'm actually armed and going to shoot. Thats a tactical shotgun! The fancy black thing with gadgets wont do much for you unless its deployed tactically.
 
Whats the sense of having lights,lasers and a optics on a home defence weapon. I doubt you will have time to turn all that on plus load. and why light your self up like a big neon sign for the intruder to shoot at when it's your home You already have a tactical advantage.
What good is a pimped up shotgun if you don't practice with it, I know a few people with very nice tactical shotty's but the have only put 30rds through it.
Use what your best with, muscle memory is the key so why waste precious moments fumbling around.
Tactical weapons is a hobby to me it's great fun.


Your post tells me you don't have an HD firearm or haven't thought out an HD setup. Lasers are useless additions. The light is an essential aspect for any HD firearm and optics are largely overrated and unnecessary.

That ever popular belief that a weapon mounted light is a target to shoot at is perpetuated by the ill informed or training deficient. When illuminating a possible threat you have the advantage. You have seen them, they haven't seen you. You have a clear idea what they are armed with if at all, they have no idea if you are even armed nor do they know if you are using some form of cover or concealment. Its your house, its your advantage. A quality weapon light will sufficiently destroy ones natural night vision which requires an average of 30 minutes to obtain. Lastly, if you illuminate a threat and cannot depress the trigger before said threat notices your presence, identifies your location and engages. You shouldn't own firearms nor attempt to defend yourself with them. The light is a must. You can't shoot what you can't see and its best to ensure the threat really is a threat.

As far as wasting time activating lights, its a fraction of a second and a press of the button to activate my light. About the same amount of time required to move the selector from safe to fire. If you have a setup for HD it should be loaded. Unloaded firearms are useless clubs.

I do agree, many have the gear but no training and next to no practice with their guns. These are the classic posers I talk about. Image is more of a concern than ones abilities.

TDC
 
I do agree, many have the gear but no training and next to no practice with their guns. These are the classic posers I talk about. Image is more of a concern than ones abilities.

TDC


Yeah, but they look so cool when they take pictures of all their gear in the mirror!!

Aptly named "Mirror Commando's" !!
 
I'd say if it's practical it's tactical.

Say what you will about side saddles, rails, and lights. They're far more practical than engraving, fancy carved wood, and gold inlays.
Not if all you do with all that fancy "tactical" crap is show it off at the range or post pictures on websites. Then it's not "practical" at all.
 
TDC, my HD weapon is a Valtro PM5 14" with a 20" on stand by mag loaded with buck shot. So I have thought it through. Within 5 seconds cablelock is off and 7 rounds loaded. I love tactical weapons lights and laser's but me and my Valtro in my house I have no need for a flashlight. Everyone is different what ever your comfortable with by all means use just make sure you know how to use it when it counts. And don't forget to change your batteries.
 
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I personally have no prob with lights, my Norc HP9 has all the bells and whistles, But since it's Chinese I don't trust my life with it, The design is sound but the Materials used well,, I trust my Valtro"s (And I have the clapper;). The Light switch is the best weapon most will run when the lights come on and if they don't well lets hope that never happens. As I said I personally have no use for a flashlight in a home invasion at MY Place, simplictiy works.

( I have nothing against Chinese firearms I love them but for me quality is a must for certain things. don' hate me for that)
 
And if your home is attacked during a power outage or natural disaster? How is the clapper working?

How are you identifying the home invaders claiming to be police from the real police?
 
The most tactical part of a pump shotgun is the SHIIIK-SHIIICK from racking the action... its a fear tactic... it works very well... and even people who know jack chit about firearms have some unexplained genetic memory that causes them to flee in terror when they hear that sound in the darkness... the flashlight need only be used to avoid stepping in urine puddles or long brown streak marks left on your floor.
 
Back up genny, How would you know if their real cops or not, By you avatar maybe the wrong person to ask, most people would not have a clue.
In case of a STHF sit I would be on red alert like everyone else here and would must likley break out some other toys to help out.
We can day dream all day about what if's, In the end any firearm is better than no firearm in a home invasion tactical setup or a O/U, skills mean more than pretty toys.
Please lets not have a pissing match we are just giving mall ninja's semi's
 
How are you identifying the home invaders claiming to be police from the real police?
Preferably with a flashlight and not a weapon-mounted light. Just like using a scope instead of binoculars using a mounted light when you are not sure what is out there means you are pointing a loaded gun at a target that you haven't identified.

If I have to go out in response to a noise in the barn I'm not scanning the scene with the light on my shotgun but with a separate light.
 
Just keep your finger off the trigger....

I have a headlamp too. But I am mounting a weaponlight...

If you need the rifle out, and are scanning your home, you want both hands on the firearm.

Totality of the situation.
 
Ahh, the age old "Firearm mounted VS Hand Held" light debate.

Personally, I see that they both have benefits. In a perfect world, one would have both handy for various situations.
Although, I think my gut says if I had to choose one over the other, the firearm mounted would be my choice simply because it leaves my hands on the firearm.

I think a noise in the barn deserves the mag light in the hand, the noise in the house... well..........


EDIT: I see yyyyy beat me to part of my post... ;)
 
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