nothing worse than labeling a hunter as a murderer..

[Brentn]

I've had multiple fights with people regarding hunting, it usually starts out with the fact that said person thinks hunting is murder and should be banned. I then start out with the fact that unless your a vegetarian you are a total hypocrite.

It usually just gets heated and nothing changes...

I wanted to start a thread that gives good points that there's nothing wrong with hunting. Points that we can use when some dip#### hippie thinks that he/she is the best thing this world has for change by trying to bring down hunting.


Some good points I always bring up are;

-Hunting has been going on since the dawn of time, animals hunt, and humans have hunted, it's perfectly natural.

-Hunting is a freedom that should not be challenged as it is a perfectly legal passtime, and has no danger whatsoever to public safety.

-People who usually think hunting is wrong are total hypocrites and are a perfect example of a double standard. They are usually the ones that eat meat themselves and put an animal through torture and inhuman living conditions. I'm referring to animals that are 'manufactured' when compared to ones that are hunted in the wild. I personally think that bringing down a doe with a headshot or heartshot etc is much more humane than having millions of animals stuck in a building their whole lives under terrible living conditions.

If you agree or disagree with any of the above points, let me know. Just trying to make a thread that counters what the anti's always have to say.

 

[Onagoth]

Ask them if they've ever seen a deer torn apart by wolves or coyotes, and ask them if that is more humaine and morally superior to hunting.

Also ask if they've ever seen the way chickens are killed, then compare to a clean and ethical hunting kill, in my mind, there's no comparison.

 

[Scott_N]

I don't think that a true anti-hunter can be convinced that hunting is actually humane. Their opinions are based on emotion not fact, so there's little point in trying to counter their arguments if you asked me.

 

[Republic of Alberta]

I agree with everything that you wrote. The problem we come up against when arguing with these people is not "logic" "facts" or lack of being able to get them across in a suitable manner. The problem is that we are auguring with people that think with their bleeding hearts not with their heads. You cannot win an argument against a person that is incapable of reason. These type of people generally have very little "life skills" in the real world... the real world being anywhere but inside their little bubble, a fantasy world were food is fast and easy. Where there is always enough for everybody and every street corner has a fancy coffee shop where they can sit and pontificate on every world issue in the news, yet have never even seen the real world.



Just to add ...I like the killing part, nothing more satisfying than hearing that WUUUMP sound of a bullet hitting the chest of an animal. Yes I am a killer and a dam good one too. I make no apologies to anyone.

 

[nexgen]

My family owns a small slaughterhouse, when I'm working there, I'm killing. When I go hunting I'm in the bush and everything is a maybe. Every time I load the 22 at the slaughterhouse I know I'll kill the animal that's there, I spend a month and a half loading the same four rounds in my 30/06 for maybe a chance at the animal I want/can take. I hunted last deer season quite a bit and didn't see a buck, I worked in the slaughterhouse half a dozen times with my cousin and killed four beef and 8 or 10 hogs.

The only way anyone has any semblance of a point in regards to anti-hunting is if they are a vegan (I still don't agree with it) otherwise they just hire a contract killer like me to do the dirty work.

As for being morally superior, I feel that I am more so than those that put hunters down, because I can face what happens to my food and carry through and provide healthy food for my family. We're not many generations away from when families provided completely for themselves with game, gardens and small farm products.

IMO, a lot of the problems today stem from how far people have removed themselves from the natural world.

 

[looch]

Most of these ignoramuses have never seen a slaughter house. Until they do, I have nothing to discuss with them.

 

[blasted_saber]

If thwy are vegatarian, ask them about the millions of small animals killed annually in fields when they are harvested.

 

[Steeleco]

My family owns a small slaughterhouse, when I'm working there, I'm killing. When I go hunting I'm in the bush and everything is a maybe. Every time I load the 22 at the slaughterhouse I know I'll kill the animal that's there, I spend a month and a half loading the same four rounds in my 30/06 for maybe a chance at the animal I want/can take. I hunted last deer season quite a bit and didn't see a buck, I worked in the slaughterhouse half a dozen times with my cousin and killed four beef and 8 or 10 hogs.

The only way anyone has any semblance of a point in regards to anti-hunting is if they are a vegan (I still don't agree with it) otherwise they just hire a contract killer like me to do the dirty work.

As for being morally superior, I feel that I am more so than those that put hunters down, because I can face what happens to my food and carry through and provide healthy food for my family. We're not many generations away from when families provided completely for themselves with game, gardens and small farm products.

IMO, a lot of the problems today stem from how far people have removed themselves from the natural world.

Well put! Ask any anti-hunter how they'd survive if they were forced to live of the land for any one of a number of reasons?

They can only eat grass for so long

 

[Brentn]

Thanks for the input, some really really awesome points here which I'm going to highlight

Ask them if they've ever seen a deer torn apart by wolves or coyotes, and ask them if that is more humaine and morally superior to hunting.

I don't think that a true anti-hunter can be convinced that hunting is actually humane. Their opinions are based on emotion not fact

Repubic of Alberta, very nice thank you, so true.

My favorite here ;


The only way anyone has any semblance of a point in regards to anti-hunting is if they are a vegan (I still don't agree with it) otherwise they just hire a contract killer like me to do the dirty work.

 

[Panman]

You can also bring up the fact that for a huge portion of the world, Hunting is still a part of subsistence living.

In most regions around the globe, there are huge portions of the population that must hunt to survive. Even here in Canada, most of the Inuit, and many of the remote Native settlements still need to supplement thier food stocks with hunted meat. They could not grow adequate crops, nor truck or fly in the necessary stores to feed these communities even if they wanted to.

A Vegan lifestyle is a moral priveledge offered and sustainable only in wealthy cities and western nations. It is a personal decision for the free and privileged, but in no way viable or applicable for the majority of the world.

 

[joe-nwt]

Most of these ignoramuses have never seen a slaughter house. Until they do, I have nothing to discuss with them.

This, ^^^^ and the videos of wolves having lunch, are a prerequisite to any discussion on hunting. If they are debating seriously they will take you up on the offer, if they won't, they are relying on emotion and you will never change their mind.

 

[Dimitri]

There is a difference between killing and murdering, that is the issue not "killing" on its own.

If you hunt or fish you kill animals plain and simple, your not murdering them however. Unless your poaching, cutting off the heads and leave the bottle to rot, then your well murdering them, the same way a criminal murders people to take their own prize (the persons wallet etc).

Dimitri

 

[Unleashed]

I don't think that a true anti-hunter can be convinced that hunting is actually humane. Their opinions are based on emotion not fact, so there's little point in trying to counter their arguments if you asked me.

Scott Adams once said that the only way to change people's minds is ridicule. Trying to argue with well thought out logic, facts and hard evidence very rarely achieves anything; people will always rebel in the face of a superior force.
However, ridiculing them, making fun of their belief and making them feel unimportant will make them change their mind very quickly!

 

[KDX]

When people ask me if I'm still hunting I tell them I just kill things now. They laugh. I only go out for varmints and paper.

 

[Chuck]

I've taken to telling people that while they hire a contract killer to kill an animal that has spent its life in captivity, I put in the effort to humanely obtain free range organic meat. I have no problem with farming at all, but truthfully I'm more comforatble with game meat than farmed meat.

 

[looch]

I've taken to telling people that while they hire a contract killer to kill an animal that has spent its life in captivity, I put in the effort to humanely obtain free range organic meat. I have no problem with farming at all, but truthfully I'm more comforatble with game meat than farmed meat.

I like to put it this way: "A happy animal is a tasty animal." Lots of small scale operations around me where the critters are plenty happy.

 

[GSXRMyers]

Fact: Much more Hunting goes on then actuall Killing at least in my case.

Ask them why it is called hunting and not killing, then slap them in the back of head.
No point in arguing as they are prob. liebeal or NDP therefore they make emotional choices not Factual or common sence reasoning as they generally have none to start with.

 

[fbimagery]

I admit I am not the best hunter in the world...

When asked, I usually reply....
"I am going for a walk in the woods with a gun...and a tag, and a license...."
I only consider it a hunt when I am successful. Otherwise it's fresh air and exercise.

Most people at that point look at me quizzically and wander off.

 

[greywolf]

hunting is actually good for the species hunted , it culls out the weak and inferior, and replenishes the gene pool with stronger replacements, everyone is happy , we are fed , the animals get bigger and stronger, more able to cope with the harshness of weather etc... win win for all

 

[Boombb]

Tell them to mind there own buisness (and you mind yours)

Let them eat all the SOY and TOFU in the world; I really dont care.


Funny storey tho, I have an Aunt who every year brings her own "TOFURKEY" (moulded like a turkey) to christmas dinner..... With extra's just incase anyone didn't get their fill of "death and dismemberment" (her words)