Citori combo won't fire single

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I bought a used citori trap combo over the winter through a private sale.
I took it out this weekend for a few rounds of trap and when using the single barrel, it would not fire the shell.
The O/U worked fine, but no go on the single.
The shell that wouldn't fire in the single fired in the O/U.
I checked to see if the safety was on the over barrel, and safety off, still no fire. Is it possible that the firing pin is too short? Why would the same firing pin work in the O/U? Shells were AA's.
Anyone ever have this problem?, ever heard of this?
 
Armafix, It was the single barrel, so only one place to put the shell.
Your O/U should shoot either barrel first, depending on which barrel is selected. It's not an ungun, so either barrel must fire first depending on what barrel is selected. My post states the single barrel was the one that didn't fire. thanks for a reply.
 
I do not have a selective trigger in my shotgun and it does what I said. Your Citori is newer and more advanced. Anyway, it cannot be the length of firing pin. More likely there is something wrong with fire selection mechanism. I suggest, get it checked by a gunsmith.
 
Did you try the barrel selector in both positions? It does not make sense if both firing pins work for the o/u barrels that it would not fire the single barrel unless you have the selector in the wrong position.
 
Do you have a single interchangeable barrel along with the 2 barrel O/U?
Check your selector as Dennis said. If that's not the issue, I would check your trigger mechanism. Are the new Citori's inertia triggers?
 
Thanks for the replies.
Yes it's a separate single barrel that won't fire. I tried both positions of the selective trigger. Its not that new of a gun, built in 1980, but I do believe it is inertia triggers. I doesn't make sense to me either.
I'm going to try a few other things tomorrow, and let you know what's up. Thanks again for the response. The manual says in the case of a miss-fire, pull the safety back, and then forward again. Does that sound like a precaution right out of the factory?
 
hogiron said:
Thanks for the replies.
Yes it's a separate single barrel that won't fire. I tried both positions of the selective trigger. Its not that new of a gun, built in 1980, but I do believe it is inertia triggers. I doesn't make sense to me either.
I'm going to try a few other things tomorrow, and let you know what's up. Thanks again for the response. The manual says in the case of a miss-fire, pull the safety back, and then forward again. Does that sound like a precaution right out of the factory?
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That's how you get the gun to switch barrels without firing the first barrel. If you have a misfire on the first barrel, you can still fire the second barrel without opening the gun. You do have intertia triggers and a selector if its a Citori. 1980 is new in Citori terms. Which model number do you have, a 425?

Try open and closing the action, then without firing the gun, take the barrel off. You will then be able to pull the trigger and see which pin fires. If its not the one you need to fire first, push the selector to the other side and try again.
 
Dragon, thanks for the reply. You're right about the miss-fire repair, I interpreted that incorrectly. Those instructions I read was for a miss-fire on the O/U barrels.
My model is a 143. I'll try your suggestions tomorrow, and report back.
Thanks to all for the help.

I just tried the firing pin suggestion, and the both pins fire. I put the O/U barrels on and both barrels fire and eject spent shells. Do the same with the single barrel and I can't pull the trigger, nothing happens. Tried firing in reverse order, nothing happens.
There's got to be some logical reason I can't pull the trigger on the single barrel.
 
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hogiron said:
There's got to be some logical reason I can't pull the trigger on the single barrel.
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I believe the logical reason is there is something wrong with it...

As in - I bought a used Citori trap combo over the winter through a private sale...

It sounds like there was a reason to sell it...

I suggest to save yourself time, get it to a Browning Service Center or a qualified gunsmith...
 
hogiron said:
Dragon, thanks for the reply. You're right about the miss-fire repair, I interpreted that incorrectly. Those instructions I read was for a miss-fire on the O/U barrels.
My model is a 143. I'll try your suggestions tomorrow, and report back.
Thanks to all for the help.

I just tried the firing pin suggestion, and the both pins fire. I put the O/U barrels on and both barrels fire and eject spent shells. Do the same with the single barrel and I can't pull the trigger, nothing happens. Tried firing in reverse order, nothing happens.
There's got to be some logical reason I can't pull the trigger on the single barrel.
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Good you've confirmed that the receiver and trigger assembly are working correctly.

The way you say "can't pull trigger" suggests to me that the locking pin cross member isn't engaging the single barrel properly. It will lockout the trigger until it is fully engaged. Idea being you don't want to be able to pull the trigger until the action is fully locked. That could be caused by a build up of grime or an obstruction in the locking lugs on the barrel or a misfitted barrel. The part I'm talking about is the tongue at the bottom of the receiver action that holds the barrel in the closed position. You can see it move when you push the lever that opens the action. That cross member has to move fully forward into the barrel lugs in order for the gun to fire.

Just out of curiosity, are you sure the gun is a true factory fitted combo? I've heard of people ordering barrels for Citori's not realising they need to be fitted. Hope that's not the case for you.
 
Dragon, thanks for the reply.
The gun was bought new as a combo.
I'll check out what you suggested, which makes sense. I had the locking block replaced this winter at a Browning service shop in Vancouver. I only sent down the O/U barrel, as that was the only one they said they required.
 
guntech said:
I believe the logical reason is there is something wrong with it...

As in - I bought a used Citori trap combo over the winter through a private sale...
That must be why EE sales are down.

It sounds like there was a reason to sell it...
Ya, the guy was 86!

I suggest to save yourself time, get it to a Browning Service Center or a qualified gunsmith...
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Here's a sugestion for you, you have to pull out the Q-tip when it starts to hurt..
 
hogiron said:
I had the locking block replaced this winter at a Browning service shop in Vancouver. I only sent down the O/U barrel, as that was the only one they said they required.
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It takes a while to get all the info .. If you had said this in your first post as well as you can not even pull the trigger on the single barrel it would have saved a lot of speculation...the good news is if the Browning Service department fitted a new locking block and did not have both barrels there, it would appear they should adjust this for you at no charge... I would even try to get some postage adjustment as well. The new locking block fits the single barrel a bit tighter than your o/u barrels and in doing so is sitting back a bit in the action blocking the trigger mechanism...
 
Update on the single barrel problem.
I called the gunsmith that worked on the gun and explained the problem.
The easiest way to have corrected this from the start was to have have sent both barrels to be fitted when I had the locking block replaced. As it turned out the O/U barrel had more use then the single, thus more tolerance. When the single barrel lugs made contact with the locking block, the tight fit didn't allow the barrel to be fully locked. (that would be a safety feature from the manufacture)
I filed down the lugs on the barrel maybe 1/1000th. I filed and tested twice, and the third time the trigger released the firing pin. I tested fired them with snap caps and were ejected from the barrel as they should . I doubt there will be any further problems.
Thanks to all that offered explanations,
Thank-you Terry for your time and patience.
 
That's good news. I figured that would be the fix. The Citori is a great design and very well made gun. I love my Sporting Clays 525 and hope to get a skeet set and a trap edition sometime in the future.
 
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