Hunting on Indian reserve?
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I am a native hunter, and yes it is true that we have no seasons, and can hunt anything anytime as long as it is not for compensation. we still do communal hunts which sometimes require us to take numerous animals.
The current limit for us is one Moose and Two deers per household. and of course there are about ten of us on our Territory that hunt for the Elderly, and families that require some additional help.
In the off season we are free to roam as we wish, this is not only contained to hunting, but is also extend to fishing and certain essentials that are required for these activities. ie Boating, licensing. (although i have mine) etc.
We have no tags, we do have a status card which states we are Native Americans, we if we come are cross any questions we present this card. works the same as diplomatic immunity. We even get rounds from the Queen once a year. lol a treaty which is still honored.
Act is as follows.
Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms)
Canadian Firearms Program - Fact Sheets
Under the Firearms Act and regulations, all firearms owners and users need a firearms licence and all firearms must be registered. While the Firearms Act and its regulations apply to everyone, some sections of the Act and of the Firearms Licences Regulations have been adapted for Canada’s Aboriginal peoples who meet all three of the following criteria:
They must be a member of one of the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada (Indian, Inuit, Métis or a beneficiary under a land claims agreement referred to in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982), and
They must be a member of an Aboriginal community, and
They must engage in the traditional hunting practices of their community.
These adaptations reflect Canada’s desire to ensure that the application of the firearms law respects the traditional lifestyles of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada.
The following summarizes the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms). For a full understanding, the regulations should be read together with the Firearms Licences Regulations. Information is also provided on other regulations that apply to anyone who stores or transports firearms in a remote wilderness area (an area compatible with hunting).
Treaty Ammunition
As a general rule, it is an offence to transfer (give or sell) ammunition to an unlicensed individual. The only exception is ammunition that Her Majesty the Queen transfers to fulfill a treaty obligation. However, the person to whom the ammunition is transferred would still need a licence to be able to use the firearm.
The current limit for us is one Moose and Two deers per household. and of course there are about ten of us on our Territory that hunt for the Elderly, and families that require some additional help.
In the off season we are free to roam as we wish, this is not only contained to hunting, but is also extend to fishing and certain essentials that are required for these activities. ie Boating, licensing. (although i have mine) etc.
We have no tags, we do have a status card which states we are Native Americans, we if we come are cross any questions we present this card. works the same as diplomatic immunity. We even get rounds from the Queen once a year. lol a treaty which is still honored.
Act is as follows.
Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms)
Canadian Firearms Program - Fact Sheets
Under the Firearms Act and regulations, all firearms owners and users need a firearms licence and all firearms must be registered. While the Firearms Act and its regulations apply to everyone, some sections of the Act and of the Firearms Licences Regulations have been adapted for Canada’s Aboriginal peoples who meet all three of the following criteria:
They must be a member of one of the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada (Indian, Inuit, Métis or a beneficiary under a land claims agreement referred to in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982), and
They must be a member of an Aboriginal community, and
They must engage in the traditional hunting practices of their community.
These adaptations reflect Canada’s desire to ensure that the application of the firearms law respects the traditional lifestyles of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada.
The following summarizes the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms). For a full understanding, the regulations should be read together with the Firearms Licences Regulations. Information is also provided on other regulations that apply to anyone who stores or transports firearms in a remote wilderness area (an area compatible with hunting).
Treaty Ammunition
As a general rule, it is an offence to transfer (give or sell) ammunition to an unlicensed individual. The only exception is ammunition that Her Majesty the Queen transfers to fulfill a treaty obligation. However, the person to whom the ammunition is transferred would still need a licence to be able to use the firearm.
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We first hunt the Crown Land, early September, when the season opens up, the animals are pushed into our lands. We hunt as required.
Every reservation I hunted across Canada never shorted me or other hunters, as we walk out of the woods with something every time.
We go for deer and come back with moose or vice versa.
saskgunowner101
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So after you "push" the animals onto reserve land, I suppose the local area just magically fills back up with wild life....
Met and visited with some native hunters hunting Elk in my neck of the world last archery season. Great group of individuals. The Elk down here are heavily over populated. The problem isn't any native hunters, rather it is the ignorant and annoying land owners that ##### about the elk but won't let anyone on their land.
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We don't do the pushing, the three hunters per tree on clown land during the season does that, the animals are not stupid they know when there are in danger.
bearkilr
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Who sets and enforces these quotas?
You don't have diplomatic immunity. Try to exercise this immunity with US Customs/FBI/CSIS/CIA/RCMP sometime.
we limit ourself.
talking about hunting here, not criminal operations, if a game warden comes along we identify ourself and state that we are traditional hunters they can't confiscate anything. this does included us Border Patrol. We predate any lines that were drawn on our Territories. and the government recognizes this, even if you may not.
Our traditional hunting grounds covers most of Quebec into Ontario, and down to Albany NY. I came back from Albany with five deers in my truck last fall, showed the papers and was on my way in minutes. the Agent even congratulated me on my hunt, "I'll have to come with you sometime to fill my freezer" was his comment.
They only questions i got was "do you have any loaded guns?" which I replied Rifle yes, Rounds Yes, Loaded No. the gentleman was very polite and asked to see the rifle. verified safe. and that was that.
With that being said we do have the right to hunt anything anytime within this territory.
even have friends on the US side that are FBI Agents in one of the NY state offices, they come with me from time to time.
http://research.lawyers.com/Aboriginal-Hunting-and-Fishing-Rights.html
talking about hunting here, not criminal operations, if a game warden comes along we identify ourself and state that we are traditional hunters they can't confiscate anything. this does included us Border Patrol. We predate any lines that were drawn on our Territories. and the government recognizes this, even if you may not.
Our traditional hunting grounds covers most of Quebec into Ontario, and down to Albany NY. I came back from Albany with five deers in my truck last fall, showed the papers and was on my way in minutes. the Agent even congratulated me on my hunt, "I'll have to come with you sometime to fill my freezer" was his comment.
They only questions i got was "do you have any loaded guns?" which I replied Rifle yes, Rounds Yes, Loaded No. the gentleman was very polite and asked to see the rifle. verified safe. and that was that.
With that being said we do have the right to hunt anything anytime within this territory.
even have friends on the US side that are FBI Agents in one of the NY state offices, they come with me from time to time.
http://research.lawyers.com/Aboriginal-Hunting-and-Fishing-Rights.html
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bearkilr
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If you're breaking laws they can and will confiscate. Examples would be hunting with lights at night,shooting from a vehicle, loaded gun in vehicle,etc. The only thing you're "immune" from is seasons,licensing requirements and bag limits, and I probably wouldn't try to test various US states laws.
You set and enforce your own quotas? How's that workin' out.
Subsistance hunting is their right, good on 'em!
Just because all indigenious peoples are entitled to this right, doesn't mean they all exercise it. Blaming your $hitty day in the woods on some percieved native threat just masks the real underlying issue of a jealous rant.
Get over it.
Just because all indigenious peoples are entitled to this right, doesn't mean they all exercise it. Blaming your $hitty day in the woods on some percieved native threat just masks the real underlying issue of a jealous rant.
Get over it.
bearkilr
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No jealousy here. There are 5 Reservations within 40 miles of where I live, so I know how things operate.
I'll leave it at that.........
If you're breaking laws they can and will confiscate. Examples would be hunting with lights at night,shooting from a vehicle, loaded gun in vehicle,etc. The only thing you're "immune" from is seasons,licensing requirements and bag limits, and I probably wouldn't try to test various US states laws.
Untrue, are you forgetting about of traditional hunting apparatus?
Lighten up buddy, starting to sound like a little ball of hate.
Untrue, are you forgetting about of traditional hunting apparatus?
Lighten up buddy, starting to sound like a little ball of hate.
M12shooter
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If you're breaking laws they can and will confiscate. Examples would be hunting with lights at night,shooting from a vehicle, loaded gun in vehicle,etc. The only thing you're "immune" from is seasons,licensing requirements and bag limits, and I probably wouldn't try to test various US states laws.
Untrue, are you forgetting about of traditional hunting apparatus?
Lighten up buddy, starting to sound like a little ball of hate.
I was under the impression treaty hunting was again allowed at night with the aid of lights...if one so chose to operate in such a manner.
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What I don't understand is when do these rights end? My ancestors came from England and Sweden, should I have the right to go back there and hunt and fish whenever I want?
Some how in today's world with everyone living in modern homes, driving modern things like trucks, snowmobiles, powerboats, etc. it would seem like being traditional is a bunch of baloney. The Indians before the whiteman came had a stick with a rock on the end of it for a projectile, they walked where they went and carried what they harvested, etc.
I just see alot of this stuff as being unfair because in my mind everyone is simply a modern day citizen of thier country. Sure keeping some of the old traditions alive is a good thing, but it seems to me like it's getting carried away.
I'm just a modern day Canadian, I don't think that I should be wearing some hat with horns and carrying a battle axe because some great ancestor of mine once did.
Nope time to move on, join together.
Mind you some traditions are good, like Swedish pancakes for example. Those should never be gotten rid of.
KTK
Some how in today's world with everyone living in modern homes, driving modern things like trucks, snowmobiles, powerboats, etc. it would seem like being traditional is a bunch of baloney. The Indians before the whiteman came had a stick with a rock on the end of it for a projectile, they walked where they went and carried what they harvested, etc.
I just see alot of this stuff as being unfair because in my mind everyone is simply a modern day citizen of thier country. Sure keeping some of the old traditions alive is a good thing, but it seems to me like it's getting carried away.
I'm just a modern day Canadian, I don't think that I should be wearing some hat with horns and carrying a battle axe because some great ancestor of mine once did.
Nope time to move on, join together.
Mind you some traditions are good, like Swedish pancakes for example. Those should never be gotten rid of.
KTK
that is correct. as long as the light is connected to a external battery system ie Quad, Truck via the usage of a cigarette lighter. no inter batteries, translation not portable.
this was restricted for awhile but, was recently lifted. for the most part we do all our hunting from Dawn to Dusk, I personally do not use lights.
But know others that do.
this was restricted for awhile but, was recently lifted. for the most part we do all our hunting from Dawn to Dusk, I personally do not use lights.
But know others that do.
What I don't understand is when do these rights end? My ancestors came from England and Sweden, should I have the right to go back there and hunt and fish whenever I want?
Some how in today's world with everyone living in modern homes, driving modern things like trucks, snowmobiles, powerboats, etc. it would seem like being traditional is a bunch of baloney. The Indians before the whiteman came had a stick with a rock on the end of it for a projectile, they walked where they went and carried what they harvested, etc.
I just see alot of this stuff as being unfair because in my mind everyone is simply a modern day citizen of thier country. Sure keeping some of the old traditions alive is a good thing, but it seems to me like it's getting carried away.
I'm just a modern day Canadian, I don't think that I should be wearing some hat with horns and carrying a battle axe because some great ancestor of mine once did.
Nope time to move on, join together.
Mind you some traditions are good, like Swedish pancakes for example. Those should never be gotten rid of.
KTK
Just to fill you in, when we hunt we walk to our grounds, where we camp for two or three weeks on end. Yes we do carry the game back to our camps well within the wilderness. we bleed, hang, smoke and cut it all there.
three rights stand because of the events that our people had faced, without going into great detail. I seem to remember a thing called "thanks giving" if you remember correctly it was the our hunters that feed those people, who's
decedents still continue to live here today.
these right are are honored until all of our people are no longer here. if this burns your a$$, i wonder what you will think when you find out we don't pay taxes.
just a little perk, seeing that we lost about 20 million or so of our people from small pox coated blankets. it was not our people that secluded us from you.
Yes Sir we are allowed, the only issue would be that you get approval for the band (not a issue, if you have someone to vouch for you)
and the best part is the gifted meat for all you help.
