Storage Opinions or "Am I legal?"
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it dosn't look like a "safe"
notsorichguy
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But the regs don't say it has to be a "safe" just a cabinet designed to store firearms.....
The regs were posted earlier in this thread.
The regs were posted earlier in this thread.
his cabinet is fine, however restricted in a cabinet you need trigger locks, a safe you dont. Also I would be hesitant to store ammo in a cabinet with restricted as well, in a safe though I would store them together with no trigger locks./
Heres a section from the REG
Restricted and prohibited firearms
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
The law for handguns is cabinet and trigger locks or safe and no trigger locks.
A Homak/Sentry cabinet is not a "safe"
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- Prince George B.C
Anyone have a cabinet with a lockable glass front? I was going to build one......using laminated glass and a good lock. Anyone know if this is considered a regular cabinet, or is it different because restricteds would be visible?
I'd say it's just the same as a regular cabinet, trigger locks and should be good. Of course, there are those who aren't comfortable with any less than 3 feet of hardened steel, firing pins removed and locked in the police vault
From the NFA website:
"A sheet metal gun safe, or other locked metal container fits the description of "safe" in Black's Law Dictionary."
Despite all the other opinions posted here, that's good enough for me.
Read the full article "Safe, and Legal Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms".
http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/152/199/
If you want to increase your security above the legal minimum, that's your choice of course.
From the NFA website:
"A sheet metal gun safe, or other locked metal container fits the description of "safe" in Black's Law Dictionary."
Despite all the other opinions posted here, that's good enough for me.
Read the full article "Safe, and Legal Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms".
http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/152/199/
If you want to increase your security above the legal minimum, that's your choice of course.
I am familiar with the Blacks definition. However wasnt there an owner who was sucessfully prosecuted with a Homak cabinet as its not a safe? Also its pretty hard to say its a safe when the manufacturer labels and markets it as a cabinet and not a safe.
I am familiar with the Blacks definition. However wasnt there an owner who was sucessfully prosecuted with a Homak cabinet as its not a safe? Also its pretty hard to say its a safe when the manufacturer labels and markets it as a cabinet and not a safe.
So, what makes a "safe" a "safe"?
If there was a successful prosecution, that would be significant case law. Without specifics, it's just heresay and therfore not of much value. Without specific guidelines in law, it's all just personal opinion.
yeah but if the the manufacturer markets it as a "cabinet" and not as a safe and also sells other products marketed as "safes" I think Blacks definition might not hold up. Somebody else might have the case link Im talking about, CSSA said somethign about it a couple of years ago in the publication.
Personally I dont much care how you store them as its your business and your property. What might pass for ok in rural Alberta might get you charged in Toronto or North York.
thats why I brought up the ULC certification earlier
It was mentioned in a conversation with an instructor at my club. He's helping us out in Quebec with legal issues and he said the only safe you could let your restricteds on the loose inside was an ULC safe with the fire protection and all. But since protection from fire means hermetic you have to either drill the safe or install a lamp so it stays dry and your junk doesn't rust. And he said ironicly: a pierced safe, it's no use anymore. Just buy a cabinet and trigger lock your guns
It was mentioned in a conversation with an instructor at my club. He's helping us out in Quebec with legal issues and he said the only safe you could let your restricteds on the loose inside was an ULC safe with the fire protection and all. But since protection from fire means hermetic you have to either drill the safe or install a lamp so it stays dry and your junk doesn't rust. And he said ironicly: a pierced safe, it's no use anymore. Just buy a cabinet and trigger lock your guns
Underwriters Laboratories is merely a testing facility that if a manufacture pays the money to them will test thier products to determine if they comply with certain specifications. It doesnt mean that say a European safe that hasnt bothered registering with UL is inferior anymore than meaning that one with a ULC stamp is superior. Besides most will have the new RSC stamp which isnt that great anyways. Fire protection from what I gather refers to expanding seals that activate under the heat of the fire to seal the door and the walls of the safe are filled with fire resistant material designed to give 1 or 2 hours maximum internal temp of 350 (paper chars) or less. Fire safes arent always burglary resistant either.
Fire protection is completely irrelevant to any safe storage laws.
