Need info on Mosin-Nagant (more pics post #20)

Scharfschütze

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Hi
Someone at my dads work has a Mosin-Nagant (research suggest its a M1891/30???) that he has owned for 30 years. He said he never shot it and it still have some of the original packing grease on the action. Some of the numbers match but not all, the bolt dose not match.
I have to clean the bore to see if it is still in good shape. There is some rust on the crown and all metal parts have rust on them some where.
He wants $200 for the rifle and it comes with some ammo, bayonet and the cleaning kit.

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A friend from Soviet Russia maybe?? :cool:
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You can get non-rusty versions of those rifles for $150 and excellent armory refurbs for $200.

With that ugly rust, I wouldn't pay more than $75
 
Rusty Tula M-91/30,+ BC(sorry too many lieberal/ndp), + sling on backwards, + miss-matched numbers, = $125 max. The hex reciever is good!! Go buy some 0000 steel wool, and post some pics again please!
 
Well depends how deep the rust is in my opinion, and how much ammo / what type of ammo.

If the ammo is commercial (brass, boxer primer), figure $1 per round. As mentioned, if the rust will go with gentle rubbing of very fine steel wool and oil rubbing, then it's not bad. That said, I agree with the comments above, without the ammo (and if the rust is easily removed), I wouldn't pay more than $125. Considering you save on shipping, that's about $25 saved :)

Lou
 
One thing I forgot to mention... If the outside is that ugly, what does the inside look like??? Can you open the bolt and take pics inside the action, drop the floorplate of the magazine, and also try to get a pic or two of the bore and chamber?

I'm just curious, because I would be that the inside would not fare as well as the bluing of the outside. I think that rifle shot some typical surplus ammo (corrosive) and I would bet from those pictures that the bore is totally rusted.
 
Hook said:
Rusty Tula M-91/30,+ BC(sorry too many lieberal/ndp)
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Don't start on us when your homegrown Prime Minister is selling us Gun owners out. :rolleyes:


Rutger said:
One thing I forgot to mention... If the outside is that ugly, what does the inside look like??? Can you open the bolt and take pics inside the action, drop the floorplate of the magazine, and also try to get a pic or two of the bore and chamber?
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Yup, shine a bore light or a small flashlight down the barrel and have a close look, and check out the magazine parts.
If the barrel is good then methinks the rest is salvageable in the right hands.
I have seen rifles in worse shape that have been cleaned up...ie careful use of 0000 steel wool and G96 (outside parts).
 
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it looks like rusted and some pitting also.
the good thing is that it is a pre WW2 but still not worth 200 $ Specially that numbers dont match
you could go 200$ for really nice factory refurbs
 
I'd check the bore condition (look inside) and make sure it's not rusted over there. Otherwise, you can re-polish bolt, clean and re-blue muzzle. Take the rifle apart and clean it well. Recondition the wood. It has all potential to become a nice piece.

As for the value, I'd go for $150. Tops.

TradeEx sells them at $169 without rust and with all accessories.
 
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Scharfschutze, use a little discretion here. The rifle is a dog. DON'T buy it. From the sounds of things, this may be your first centerfire rifle or milsurp. You don't need the grief associated with this rifle. At the very best it's a donor for parts.
There are lots of much better rifles in close proximity to you. Del Selins has a few on the shelf for under $200 that have all of the same accessories and the bores are in shiney, non pitted, very good condition. You may even be able to find one with a laminated stock.

The first rule of used firearm buying is look at it in the sunlight, then step back think about what you've just looked at then look at it again. If there's something about it that bothers you right away, it will only get worse once you get it home. Same thing can be said about women as well, or men if you swing that way.
 
Dutchie said:
If he owned it for 30 or so years...he probally paid like $20-$49 for it back then. If you pay $150 to him, it's not a bad investment considering what's going on in the markets right now....
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Not really as $20 - $49 was pretty much the same as today's $150.

I know folks that bought full wood Enfields for $20 back in the early 70's and now the same rifle is up around $500 - $700 bucks.
 
Just so you will have something to compare to, I got this from the tradeex site. The electropenciled parts aren't great if you want it for collection purposes but for a milsurp shooter there are better conditioned guns at better prices than what your friend is offering.
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bearhunter said:
Scharfschutze, use a little discretion here. The rifle is a dog. DON'T buy it. From the sounds of things, this may be your first centerfire rifle or milsurp.
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This will not be my first milsurp or centerfire rifle. I own two K98's and a few outher modern rifles but I don't know to much about milsurps so I am very cautious about this rifle. I am not very impressed with the rust on the rifle but if I get it for a good deal it might be worth to fix up.
I have not cleaned the bore yet hopefully later today.
Still thanks for the advice :D
 
Scharfschütze said:
I am not very impressed with the rust on the rifle but if I get it for a good deal it might be worth to fix up.
I have not cleaned the bore yet hopefully later today.
Still thanks for the advice :D
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That's the spirit!

(by the way I think that even with years of practice I could never spell your forum name from memory. Wow, now that's a name!)

Personally, I think it's a good candidate for some "loving care". Deserves a cheap selling price, then deserves some care. Clean the stock, fresh shellac on it after. Steel wool on the rust. Reblue? Probably. Hard to say whether it's a sin on a milsurp, but I figure, if it means stopping dammage that, if left uncheck, will ruin the rifle, then, I call it Curator's Work before anything else.

Got to be shootable though, if it's just a wall hanger, then it should be offered to you free of charge. Or better yet you should get paid for your trouble :)

Lou
 
louthepou said:
by the way I think that even with years of practice I could never spell your forum name from memory. Wow, now that's a name!
Lou
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About the only bad thing about my name is I did not remove the stupid dots above the "u". That makes life a little difficult some times.

Here are some more pick of the rifle. I thinks its a no go on this gun. The bore is dark and pitted. I thought there might be some grease in the barrel but I was not so lucky. I ran a cotton patch through the bore and it only picked up some residual grease from the chamber.

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This is the best that I could get of the chamber (damn camera batteries)

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Let me know what you think :cool:
 
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