CZ-858 Barrel Shortening?

Manufactured Barrel

Its a play of words .... If a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence does the trimming ... he manufactured a barrel from a pre-existing longer barrel.
If one can install a modified cooey barrel to a Walther PPK chambered in .22LR and get it verified as restricted .... or manufacturing 18.6" barrels for CX4 Storms to be non-restricted.
The barrels used to re-verify these firearms were not manufactured from scratch they were made from blanks being cut down or exhisting barrels by a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence.
 
Its a play of words .... If a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence does the trimming ... he manufactured a barrel from a pre-existing longer barrel.
If one can install a modified cooey barrel to a Walther PPK chambered in .22LR and get it verified as restricted .... or manufacturing 18.6" barrels for CX4 Storms to be non-restricted.
The barrels used to re-verify these firearms were not manufactured from scratch they were made from blanks being cut down or exhisting barrels by a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence.

Calling all lawyers! I am curious if this is truly a gray area because I was thinking of having my barrel cut too, but only if it's legal.
 
Its a play of words .... If a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence does the trimming ... he manufactured a barrel from a pre-existing longer barrel.
It is not a play on words it's the law!!
A manufacturing licence does NOT allow you to modify existing barrels below legal minimums, period. Modifying an existing barrel (as defined by a tube being capable of chambering ammunition) is simply re-manufacturing and existing barrel and you cannot do this below legal minimums. There are NO exceptions.

If one can install a modified cooey barrel to a Walther PPK chambered in .22LR and get it verified as restricted ....
If this was done to a barrel that was already chambered for the Cooey then it is illegal, unless you have a real long barrel on that Walther! Just because it has happened does not make it legal. If the firearms center (RCMP) ever investigated and discovered that the "new" barrel on that Walther was made from the Cooey then that barrel will be considered a prohibited device and charges can be laid.

or manufacturing 18.6" barrels for CX4 Storms to be non-restricted.
The barrels used to re-verify these firearms were not manufactured from scratch they were made from blanks being cut down
And this is quite legal as the barrel is just a tube non-specific to any firearm or caliber.

or exhisting barrels by a gunsmith with a manufacturing licence.
Again, it does not matter if it is a gunsmith or someone with a manufacturing licence they cannot modify the existing barrels below minimum lengths.

If you need confirmation on any of this, simply call 1 800 731-4000 and ask to speak with a firearms technician. They will tell you exactly the same thing and they WILL say the same thing in court if you get caught breaking the law.
 
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How about choping down a 27 inch barrel to 18.5 inch, on a non restricted shotgun? Because at 18.5 inches, the classification does not change, only the barrel lenght. Any problems there?

No problem there. Also people do it all the time with there m14s. It's only when you do it bellow 18.5 inches that it becomes illegal.
 
It is legal to do this, the only problem you may have is if you want to make it non-restricted again, they may not allow that. They don't want firearms jumping back and forth between non-restricted and restricted just by changing barrels. So if you make the classification change it's permanent.

Your best bet is to call the CFC and ask to speak to a Firearms Tech, tell them what you want to do and they will give you the exact info you need.

Yea, and now they have the registry to block our firearm into one class. What a bunch of douche bags.
 
Back to the original question,
what mudpuppy sez is very true:
the cfc explains that if a rifle, carbine or shotgun
has a barrel is that was cut (chopped, sawed, etc)
from the original lenght
in such a way that the resulting barrel is shorter than 18.5",
then the firearm (not the barrel itself!) becomes prohibited.
It does not matter if the barrel was already under 18.5" before cutting.




The same type of rules apply to firearms that are already prohibited. If you have an AK-47 with a 16" barrel that is already classed as 12(5) prohibited and you cut the barrel to 14" that particular firearm is now prescribed as a prohibited firearm outside of the 12(5) class and is illegal. Section "(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm" alows them to prohibit your prohibited firearm.

So be very carefull before you decide to start chopping!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is a very smart observation. Congrats!
Too bad that not too many gunsmiths or 12(x) owners know that.
They make the wrong assumption that a 12(x) licence and/or
registration certificate cover almost anything.
 
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Your posts are true and clear,
but there are a couple of things that need to be discussed.



It is not a play on words it's the law!!
A manufacturing licence does NOT allow you to modify existing barrels below legal minimums, period. Modifying an existing barrel (as defined by a tube being capable of chambering ammunition) is simply re-manufacturing and existing barrel and you cannot do this below legal minimums. There are NO exceptions.
I do not quite agree with that.

As far as I know,
any joe blow can cut any barrel for a long gun
at whatever lenght he pleases.
The trouble starts when somebody tries to put that in a receiver.
If the resulting barrel is shorter than 18.5,
then the firearm with such a barrel is prohib
(not the barrel itself).








If this was done to a barrel that was already chambered for the Cooey then it is illegal, unless you have a real long barrel on that Walther! Just because it has happened does not make it legal. If the firearms center (RCMP) ever investigated and discovered that the "new" barrel on that Walther was made from the Cooey then that barrel will be considered a prohibited device and charges can be laid.
With all respect, I find it hard to believe.

From my interpretation of the law,
even if the cut barrel happens to fit
both the Cooey (rifle) AND the Walther (pistol),
as long as you do not assemble it on the Cooey receiver,
(or on any long gun receiver) then everything is fine.

If it fits the Walther (or any pistol), then it has to be over 106mm.
If it fits any pistol and it is under 106, then it is prohib device,
even if you did not attempt to assemble it on the receiver
or even if you do not have that kind of pistol.
 
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Supra- I would be interested. I would use it at the range, as one has 30 days to get the gun verified after barrel changes. Then i would switch it back when I got home.

No, that wouldn't work as I would need an ATT, and czbarrels aren't quick change...
 
As far as I know, any joe blow can cut any barrel for a long gun at whatever lenght he pleases.
First we have to define a barrel as being a tube that has been fitted/chambered to a particular firearm. A barrel blank that is not fitted or chambered is not technically a barrel under the law, it's just a metal tube.

So this being said, anyone can cut a barrel to any length that still conforms to the minimum overall length requirements for the firearm/class that the barrel will be attached to.
If you cut below the minimums the barrel itself becomes a prohibited device.

The trouble starts when somebody tries to put that in a receiver. If the resulting barrel is shorter than 18.5,
then the firearm with such a barrel is prohib (not the barrel itself).
This is the catch 22 area. Technically it's only the barrel itself that is the prohibited part but putting it on a firearm does allow them to prescribe it to be a prohibited firearm because of the barrel.
The same applies to cutting down the stock so that the overall length is below 26".
If you take a saw to your pump shotgun stock and make it below 26" in OAL it can be "prescribed to be prohibited". The key thing to remember here is your intent. If you accidently run over your stock while hunting and it breaks making it shorter than 26" you will not be charged, that's common sense. But if you intentionally cut it the circumstances change.
The "prescribed to be prohibited" part of the legislation allows the government a LOT of leeway.

With all respect, I find it hard to believe.
From my interpretation of the law, even if the cut barrel happens to fit
both the Cooey (rifle) AND the Walther (pistol),cas long as you do not assemble it on the Cooey receiver, (or on any long gun receiver) then everything is fine.

If it fits the Walther (or any pistol), then it has to be over 106mm.
If it fits any pistol and it is under 106, then it is prohib device,
even if you did not attempt to assemble it on the receiver
or even if you do not have that kind of pistol.
What you are forgetting is that the law specifically defines barrel length irrespective of the firearm it was made for. We have two different pieces of legislation that apply to the same firearm. One part applies to the firearm itself, that's where we get all the different classes and the the other part applies to the barrel, which allows them to move the same firearm within those classes. If the law only defined the firearm and not the barrel then it would be a non issue.

If the barrel was made for the Cooey, fitted and chambered at some point, (lets assume it was for a bolt action) then the minimum length you can make that barrel is 18" under the law. Cutting below that length makes the barrel itself a prohibited device and installing it on any other firearm allows that firearm to be prescribed to be prohibited.
If the the barrel was intended to be for the Cooey but was never fitted/chambered then it is not a barrel under the law, just a blank and you could adapt it to the Walther as long as you met the 106mm requirement.

I know there are many cases across this country where barrels have been re-used for different applications. Some of the people who have done it may not have known that their application was illegal but that cannot be used as a defence under the law. The chances that you would be caught are pretty slim but there is still a chance and you do stand a lot to lose if you are caught.

I wish the laws were different, I spent over two months arguing this area with the CFC, as I was hoping to re-use several barrels for a project I had in mind. In the end the laws clearly did not work in my favor but it did give me a greater education into the uselessness of them.
None of them are meant to protect the public, they are only meant to make the life of gun owners more difficult.
 
fyi I have spoken to to Smithtac and they have informed me that the RCMP is going over some of the rules and..... well lets just say that the Krink post on his webpage is gone and I won't be doing any Krinks until the RCMP knows what there gonna do.
 
fyi I have spoken to to Smithtac and they have informed me that the RCMP is going over some of the rules and..... well lets just say that the Krink post on his webpage is gone and I won't be doing any Krinks until the RCMP knows what there gonna do.

Hmm, interesting. I was only curious because I want to copy the length of a defender barrel whatever size it really is.
 
Hmm, interesting. I was only curious because I want to copy the length of a defender barrel whatever size it really is.

Tell me about it what the RCMP told me is if you cut a barrell no matter what leght it is it becomes a prohibited device, if you install a barrell its ok. The nice man also told me that the Rcmp is interpreting all of there laws differentley.
 
Tell me about it what the RCMP told me is if you cut a barrell no matter what leght it is it becomes a prohibited device, if you install a barrell its ok. The nice man also told me that the Rcmp is interpreting all of there laws differentley.

So, basically it is at our discretion. Get the wrong cop and your screwed. Get the right cop and you may just get away with it.
 
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