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Walter Hornby said:
Strange, if i want to shot the IPSC Nationals in the USA i have to met the IPSC rules.
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Exactly, Walter. (Although we all know we'll never see an IPSC Nationals in the USA)

It's kinda ironic how it's an American digging up this dead horse when in fact, they're the main reason why we lost the exemptions in the first place.

If the USPSA stopped playing lipservice to IPSC and admit they have no intention of having IPSC matches, we'd have had sufficent cause to retain our exemptions.

Flexmoney said:
Right. You got hosed because of a stated IPSC agenda..."The goal? 85 Regions, 1 Rulebook, 0 Exemptions."
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No. We got hosed because of USPSA
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
Exactly, Walter. (Although we all know we'll never see an IPSC Nationals in the USA)

It's kinda ironic how it's an American digging up this dead horse when in fact, they're the main reason why we lost the exemptions in the first place.

If the USPSA stopped playing lipservice to IPSC and admit they have no intention of having IPSC matches, we'd have had sufficent cause to retain our exemptions.

No. We got hosed because of USPSA
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I can see that you and I are going to have problems, since you like to speak out of your back side. :jerkit:


[FWIW, I've heard...from a source I trust...that there will be an USA IPSC Nationals this year.]


Canada got hosed because the IPSC leadership wants to keep you in check.

They fear losing control. So they tighten it. :pirate:

Call their bluff.


Here in the states, we don't need IPSC. If our relationship wasn't mutually beneficial, there would be no reason to continue it. For that matter, clubs in my state don't need USPSA.

USPSA...and IPSC...do need to remain attractive to their membership.
 
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Flexmoney said:
I can see that you and I are going to have problems, since you like to speak out of your back side. :jerkit:
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You should know, expert. Unless your name is Voight (and I know it isn't because he's got more class)
What you know about IPSC, USPSA and IPSC Canada, I could put on the end of a pin.:kickInTheNuts:
Stick to buls**tting these guys about something you know a little about. :rolleyes:
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Exactly, Walter. (Although we all know we'll never see an IPSC Nationals in the USA)

It's kinda ironic how it's an American digging up this dead horse when in fact, they're the main reason why we lost the exemptions in the first place.

If the USPSA stopped playing lipservice to IPSC and admit they have no intention of having IPSC matches, we'd have had sufficent cause to retain our exemptions.

No. We got hosed because of USPSA
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I remember on the IPSC forums it was mentioned that IPSC matches were taking place in the states,...although I searched and did not find any. :confused:
 
Flexmoney said:
I can see that you and I are going to have problems, since you like to speak out of your back side. :jerkit:


[FWIW, I've heard...from a source I trust...that there will be an USA IPSC Nationals this year.]


Canada got hosed because the IPSC leadership wants to keep you in check.

They fear losing control. So they tighten it. :pirate:

Call their bluff.


Here in the states, we don't need IPSC. If our relationship wasn't mutually beneficial, there would be no reason to continue it. For that matter, clubs in my state don't need USPSA.

USPSA...and IPSC...do need to remain attractive to their membership.
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To be honest,...I have to say I doubt that. What would be the reason for it?
 
Freedom Ventures said:
You should know, expert. Unless your name is Voight (and I know it isn't because he's got more class)
What you know about IPSC, USPSA and IPSC Canada, I could put on the end of a pin.:kickInTheNuts:
Stick to buls**tting these guys about something you know a little about. :rolleyes:
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You know, I've come here to offer my support to the shooters. That is where my sympathies lie. The competition shooters of Canada got hosed by this. And, the hosing was given by the IPSC Executive Council.

I've got nothing to gain by posting about this. I'm not selling guns to Canadian shooters to replace their single-stack 1911's. I'm not selling magazines to those that need to replace their (now, non-exempted) Standard mags.

I don't know how you are placing blame on USPSA. All USPSA has done in this case is to look out for the best interest of USPSA shooters. If IPSC treated you badly because of that...isn't that IPSC's doing?
 
This entire thread is beginning to appear to be counter productive.
What we have here is gun owners fighting other gun owners, based on the rules of a shooting organization. Whether you agree with the rules or not, there comes a time when we need to stop bickering amongst each other and simply respect each other.
Back in 1978 I saw a similar thing happen in the Black Powder Shooting clubs. We had a provincial organization which wanted total control of all shoots...for a fee of course. Their "provincial shoot" started out OK but rapidly lost support as local club shoots gained support. Eventually the provincial organization sent an ultimatum saying all local shoots meant nothing and should stop. The organization basically faded away after that.
The point here is that we participate in the shooting sports for the fun of the game, some for the thrill of winning and some for the competitive aspect. Whatever it is, just get the Hell out there and shoot. The goal of all shooting organizations should be the promotion of the sport and introducing new shooters to firearms ownership. Keep the politics out of the sport...none of this "good gun, bad gun" mentality.
Once we start fighting amongst ourselves, as I have seen in this thread, we have lost the fight to continue owning what we shoot.
Smarten up guys!!!!!
 
Flexmoney wrote:

"You know, I've come here to offer my support to the shooters. That is where my sympathies lie. The competition shooters of Canada got hosed by this. And, the hosing was given by the IPSC Executive Council."


How so? We all knew it was a yearly exemption. I don't recall a host of shooters requesting your help and frankly from the following I am damn sure we don't need it or your advice.


"I've got nothing to gain by posting about this. I'm not selling guns to Canadian shooters to replace their single-stack 1911's. I'm not selling magazines to those that need to replace their (now, non-exempted) Standard mags."

This is about as stupid a remark as I have ever read on this forum. Do you really think Sean Hansen would deliberately do what you are suggesting? Here is a guy who gives of his time for a sport he loves, contributes in every way possible, and you post something like that. You owe Sean an apology and the rest of the IPSC Canada community as well. Men with honour don't sell their character for a few coins nor do they place their trust lightly.

"I don't know how you are placing blame on USPSA. All USPSA has done in this case is to look out for the best interest of USPSA shooters."

Based upon your previous posts I would suggest USPSA does what is best for USPSA and it may or may not be best for their shooters. By allowing extensive trigger work on Production guns they are more likely looking out for the firearms industry then the shooters.

"If IPSC treated you badly because of that...isn't that IPSC's doing?"

IPSC just ended their Canadian exemptions. All it did ws bring the rules into line with the rest of IPSC. Not sure where the "badly" comes in. We all knew the exemptions were not permanent

Take Care

Bob
 
Flexmoney said:
You know, I've come here to offer my support to the shooters. That is where my sympathies lie. The competition shooters of Canada got hosed by this. And, the hosing was given by the IPSC Executive Council.
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I'll agree with you. They're a part of it. But I'll disagree why you're here. You're here to act like you're somebody important and get your ego stroked and you don't like being called on it. .

I've got nothing to gain by posting about this. I'm not selling guns to Canadian shooters to replace their single-stack 1911's. I'm not selling magazines to those that need to replace their (now, non-exempted) Standard mags.
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Ya got me - it took a sharp Internet detective like yourself to figure me out. With all these riches I make, I might even fill up the truck tomorrow. :rolleyes:

I don't know how you are placing blame on USPSA. All USPSA has done in this case is to look out for the best interest of USPSA shooters. If IPSC treated you badly because of that...isn't that IPSC's doing?
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USPSA is to blame, not by any act directly targeted at Canada or anything intentional, but by figuring out a way to be part of IPSC and at the same time, play by thier own rules. By looking out for themselves despite being part of an organization. This has shut the door for Canada.

As for the IPSC US Nationals, since there were 0 Level 3s last year, I'll believe it when I see it. As you said,
Flexmoney said:
Here in the states, we don't need IPSC.
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so why bother?

Over to you for another blast of bullshi...er...bravado...
 
Can I place a bet on this...oh and double or nothing it is close enough to Canada for a number of us to go....
 
"I've got nothing to gain by posting about this. I'm not selling guns to Canadian shooters to replace their single-stack 1911's. I'm not selling magazines to those that need to replace their (now, non-exempted) Standard mags."
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Hmmm...I don't see where Sean was accused of anything in this comment, only that Flex has nothing to gain in his arguement....maybe you're reading too much into it? Maybe before everyone gets their panties in a bunch we should all realize we argueing the same point from different perspectives...

Why can't IPSC Canada just tell the World body that the exemptions are in the best interest of our shooter and we are going to go ahead and allow the use of the big mags in Single Stack guns, exactly what can the World Body do about it? It's not like we are ever going to hold a Worlds or even another North/Pan Americans here as long as we have capacity laws in place, so it affect no one but Canadians.
 
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There's no point in belonging to an organization if we plan to ignore them...makes no sense at all. We would lose what ever privileges our affiliation provides (Like L3 sanctioning...slots for the WS etc)

If we're going to play IPSC...we have to follow all the rules...not just the ones that are convenient to us...

PH Racing said:
Hmmm...I don't see where Sean was accused of anything in this comment, only that Flex has nothing to gain in his arguement....maybe you're reading too much into it? Maybe before everyone gets their panties in a bunch we should all realize we argueing the same point from different perspectives...

Why can't IPSC Canada just tell the World body that the exemptions are in the best interest of our shooter and we are going to go ahead and allow the use of the big mags in Single Stack guns, exactly what can the World Body do about it? It's not like we are ever going to hold a Worlds or even another North/Pan Americans here as long as we have capacity laws in place, so it affect no one but Canadians.
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PH Racing said:
It's not like we haven't been there before. But I guess it's not the Canadian way to make a stand....
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If your so interested in taking a stand...go fight the anti's. I fail to see how splitting shooting organizations down the middle accomplishes anything.

We seem hell bent on defeating ourselves. How stupid are we :confused:
 
PH Racing said:
Hmmm...I don't see where Sean was accused of anything in this comment, only that Flex has nothing to gain in his arguement....maybe you're reading too much into it? Maybe before everyone gets their panties in a bunch we should all realize we argueing the same point from different perspectives...

Why can't IPSC Canada just tell the World body that the exemptions are in the best interest of our shooter and we are going to go ahead and allow the use of the big mags in Single Stack guns, exactly what can the World Body do about it? It's not like we are ever going to hold a Worlds or even another North/Pan Americans here as long as we have capacity laws in place, so it affect no one but Canadians.
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He quoted Sean in his reply,...I thought it was directed at Sean and his business,...so did Sean and just about everyone who read this. I have only known Sean for 5 years,...and if he was paid for the time he puts in to the shooting sports he should be filthy rich,..but he isn't. He loves shooting.

The great conspiracy revealed,:rolleyes:...Sean can now retire because he made so much money off IPSC exemptions.

Rules are rules. Cest la vie
 
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