FRT number for short barrels?

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I have read that there is an FRT number for the 10/22 with E.R. shaw barrels. Is there also an FRT number for the 8.5 barrel that fabsports sells or one for the 8 inch krinker plinker ones? Any verifiers that can PM me about this info?
 
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FRT #35108 -

11 is 22 LR 10 shot 203mm barrel - Restricted

18 is 22 LR 10 shot 216mm barrel - Non-Restricted

12 is 22 LR 10 shot 222mm barrel - Restricted

14 is 22 LR 10 shot 225mm barrel - Restricted

17 is 22 LR 10 shot 292mm barrel - Non-Restricted

Lots of variations and barrel lengths.
 
I'd like to have the registration certificate updated. ( I am not just going to wait for c-301, c-391 or whatever to get passed)
I called the cfc and they said it was restricted. By the legal deffinition its not. Who make the desission? The person on the phone or is it sent to someone else?


Ok. maybe I could narrow it down

A fixed stock 10/22, Caliber .22LR, OAL greater than 660, barrel length 215.9 (216)
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I had the numbers but can't find them now. :(

Just call the CFC and ask to speak to a firearm technician about a technical question.
I did, and he gave me the numbers for all the barrel lengths for the Ruger 10/22.
It saved me grief, after the CFC lady told me 8.5" was prohibited.
 
I send all paper to RCMP about the 8.5" krinker barrel, it's registred.

Lady say it's prohibed because you don't say it's rimfire barrel, or she don't know the law about rimfire, one lady in RCMP say me .22 lr mag are limited to 5 round, when I say it's rimfire they don't know what is rimfire.
 
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FabSports said:
I send all paper to RCMP about the 8.5" krinker barrel, it's registred.

Lady say it's prohibed because you don't say it's rimfire barrel, or she don't know the law about rimfire, one lady in RCMP say me .22 lr mag are limited to 5 round, when I say it's rimfire they don't know what is rimfire.
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Good to know that you sent them all the info. I'm guessing the info I give to the person on the phone is then given to someone who knows how to interprete it properly. Like a tech?
 
FabSports said:
I send all paper to RCMP about the 8.5" krinker barrel, it's registred.

Lady say it's prohibed because you don't say it's rimfire barrel, or she don't know the law about rimfire, one lady in RCMP say me .22 lr mag are limited to 5 round, when I say it's rimfire they don't know what is rimfire.
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Our tax dollars at work.
 
Questar said:
FRT #35108 -

11 is 22 LR 10 shot 203mm barrel - Restricted

18 is 22 LR 10 shot 216mm barrel - Non-Restricted

12 is 22 LR 10 shot 222mm barrel - Restricted

14 is 22 LR 10 shot 225mm barrel - Restricted

17 is 22 LR 10 shot 292mm barrel - Non-Restricted

Lots of variations and barrel lengths.
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How is it that -12 and -14 are restricted with bbl lengths longer then -18? Is this due to O/A lengths effected by folding/collapsible stocks?
 
daroccot said:
How is it that -12 and -14 are restricted with bbl lengths longer then -18? Is this due to O/A lengths effected by folding/collapsible stocks?
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If the OAL went less than 26" or about 660mm by folding it would be automatically prohibited and not restricted.

EDIT: My above statment is incorrect. see the expaination on post #11.
 
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CNADNSL8-5 said:
If the OAL went less than 26" or about 660mm by folding it would be automatically prohibited and not restricted.
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Not true... CFC issued us an FRT # (3 or 4 years ago) for the Krinker Plinker kit with 8" barrel and folded stock... that particular combination ended up under the 660mm overall length... and it was classified by CFC's FRT Tables Section as a Restricted Firearms since it was deeemed to be a "Manufactured" product and not a cut-down barrel (which would have been deemed to be Prohibited under the legislation).

There are quite a few of those out there... classified and registered as Restricted not Prohibited.

From the FRT listing for 10/22's FRT #35108 - 11 (with the 203mm barrel) shown as Restricted... the legal authority quoted is: CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (c) wherein it states:

"restricted firearm" means

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise

Mark
 
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Mr AR15 said:
So are we still dealing with a non restricted firearm if we put a 8.5" barrel on a stock that measure greater than 26" oal?:confused:
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According to the FRT child entry #18 is for a 216mm barrel with overall length over 660mm and is classified as Non-Restricted (and that's indicated as a Non Commercial Customization.

Mark
 
I have both of these combinations....

8.5" barrel..............FRT # 35108-18
11.5" barrel............FRT # 35108-17

Both have overall length > 26" (although they didn't ask).

CFC sent me new Registration Certificates for both firearms.
Still Non-Restricted but they changed the Barrel Length box to "less than 470mm".
 
Questar said:
Not true... CFC issued us an FRT # (3 or 4 years ago) for the Krinker Plinker kit with 8" barrel and folded stock... that particular combination ended up under the 660mm overall length... and it was classified by CFC's FRT Tables Section as a Restricted Firearms since it was deeemed to be a "Manufactured" product and not a cut-down barrel (which would have been deemed to be Prohibited under the legislation).

There are quite a few of those out there... classified and registered as Restricted not Prohibited.

From the FRT listing for 10/22's FRT #35108 - 11 (with the 203mm barrel) shown as Restricted... the legal authority quoted is: CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (c) wherein it states:

"restricted firearm" means

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise

Mark
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I have editid my post about that now. :redface: Thanks for the help.

So how should I go about re-registering it. should I call and give the basic info and let the person of the phone think its restricted and wait to see what the certificate says or should I also give the FRT # as a referance?
 
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CNADNSL8-5 said:
I have editid my post about that now. :redface: Thanks for the help.

So how should I go about re-registering it. should I call and give the basic info and let the person of the phone think its restricted and wait to see what the certificate says or should I also give the FRT # as a referance?
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Call CFC and ask them... keep in mind that the initial people you speak with are little more than terminal operators and when it comes to classifications and the FRT they have had a very minimal 1 day "training" course that was only intended to allow them to do simple basic registration/classification over the phone. The old verifiers network members got a bit more intensive training course but even then it doesn't always cover all situations.

At the end of the day call CFC and ask to speak to someone in the FRT Section... explain your situation to them and give them the various FRT and Child numbers I mentioned and explain to them why you believe your firearm was assigned the wrong classification... they will direct you on how to proceed. If it was improperly classified there is a method for having it corrected. I don't know what the method is for an individual... for a business we simply submit a change of description form by fax... but we are "Verifiers" so we can do that for ourselves... I suspect that individuals will need to get a Verifier to inspect and submit that change of description form... but I don't know.

Mark
 
Well, I called and was told that I could not have the info changed. They said that "470mm or greater" was standard and even if I had a barrel shorter than 470mm the reg cert still has to say "470mm or greater" WTF?

It is currently listed as a non restricted on the reg cert, so maybe I should just leave the incorrect barrel lenght on it.
 
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CNADNSL8-5 said:
Well, I called and was told that I could not have the info changed. They said that "470mm or greater" was standard and even if I had a barrel shorter than 470mm the reg cert still has to say "470mm or greater" WTF?

It is currently listed as a non restricted on the reg cert, so maybe I should just leave the incorrect barrel lenght on it.
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You spoke to FRT Section in Ottawa or to someone who answered the 1-800 number and who does transfers, etc.?

There are a lot of people at CFC many of whom only know their little area and who often give out wrong information when questioned about things that aren't in their area of expertise.
 
Well I called back again and got a different person. He looked up the FRT and child # and went over all the info with me and sent all the info off to the dept that will make the changes. He then said the new reg cert should be sent out as non-restricted and barrel length less than 470mm.

The FRT number really made it easier to explain what I wanted to do. Thanks again for the help.
 
Questar said:
You spoke to FRT Section in Ottawa or to someone who answered the 1-800 number and who does transfers, etc.?

There are a lot of people at CFC many of whom only know their little area and who often give out wrong information when questioned about things that aren't in their area of expertise.
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The person who answered would not really let me get past her to talk to someone else, so I figured it was easier just to call back and talk to someone else.
 
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