Remmie vs. Mossie

leveractionjunkie said:
Far from it bud. Just seems that any shotgun questions around here always got mall ninja "tactical" :jerkit: Doesn't anyone kill anything with their 870's or 590's? How do they handle mud, snow, etc. compared to one another?
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The killing part ,thats the function of the Ammo ,shotgun just points it in the right direction.:p
 
Greenhorse six said:
True pumps are only as slow as the operator.

Semi's are heavier,the mossberg 930 Wt 7 1/2 lbs and the 590 Wt 7 1/4 lbs.

A Auto loader will less or a softer recoil which helps with follow up shots ,which is useful with multiple targets.


ETA;forgot about the cost thing .I paid $465 for my 930 last year, and $401 for my first 590 15years ago
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The difference is slim with the facts you've posted above. How does the semi handle the elements? Recoil can be managed with proper form but the semi action does help.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Pumps are only as slow as the operator. Semi's are heavier and do cost more. Their reliability is not on par with a pump gun. Rapid shots are only useful if they're effective.

TDC
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Here we go again :onCrack:. I've put probably over 5,000 rounds through 2 different 391 Beretta's, never once had a failure to fire. And a modern Semi is not heavier than a pump. Sure a Good Semi is more money than a Pump quality always is. A good Semi handles and swings better than any Pump.
 
I've had/have a few Mossy's and a few Remmy's. Mossberg 835 I had was junk looked pretty but jammed all the time. Maverick 88 I had was even worse, looked like ####, shot like ####, they were made so cheap to be sold at Walmarts and Canadian Tire. Remmington 870 express worked great, but was fugly and heavy. Being a left hand shooter Browning BPS is where I'm at and happily staying.
 
TDC said:
The difference is slim with the facts you've posted above. How does the semi handle the elements? Recoil can be managed with proper form but the semi action does help.

TDC
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it's still a fairly new model,IIRC it's only been out for 4 years ,it started as a water fowl gun,so it's out there in the mud and water alot. and they've just started to market fighting?,combat type shorter barreled ones. They've been getting good reviews all around.

A Pump is always going to be more reliable from a mechanical point of view,its the human element ,the possibility of a short stroke,that make it less so.

but auto loaders are getting better all the time.
 
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Win/64 said:
Here we go again :onCrack:. I've put probably over 5,000 rounds through 2 different 391 Beretta's, never once had a failure to fire. And a modern Semi is not heavier than a pump. Sure a Good Semi is more money than a Pump quality always is. A good Semi handles and swings better than any Pump.
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Can you read or is math not your strong suit? Check the published figures for the common semi autos, they are indeed heavier than pump guns. More importantly, the weight is foward of the centre of balance which makes swinging the shotgun increasingly difficult. Quality doesn't always reside in the more expensive item.

You posted a pic of your shotgun in the phot gallery. You're a hunter, not a shooter. Don't confuse a hunting gun for a defensive or competitive one.

TDC
 
Greenhorse six said:
it's still a fairly new model,IIRC it's only been out for 4 years ,it started as a water fowl gun,so it's out mud and water alot. and they've just started to market fighting?,combat type shorter barreled ones. They've been getting good reviews all around.

A Pump is alway going to be more reliable from a mechanical point of view,its the human element ,the possibility of a short stroke,that make it less so.

but auto loaders are getting better all the time.
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I agree, the human element is present in all systems so the rate of failure from that aspect is directly attributed to the skill of the operator, not the design of the system.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Can you read or is math not your strong suit? Check the published figures for the common semi autos, they are indeed heavier than pump guns. More importantly, the weight is foward of the centre of balance which makes swinging the shotgun increasingly difficult. Quality doesn't always reside in the more expensive item.

You posted a pic of your shotgun in the phot gallery. You're a hunter, not a shooter. Don't confuse a hunting gun for a defensive or competitive one.

TDC
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Where is the "phot" gallery? I am a "hunter not a shooter" WTF. Tell me why do you see very few Pump guns at Competions? Clay shooting is mostly dominated by Semi Autos and O/U's (O/U barrels are mounted vertically :)) Maybe it is because they handle and balance better.
You should try stepping away from the miror, take off your "mall ninja" gear and get out more often.
 
Mossy again...this 930 was built up nicely and entirely "buildable" in Canada.

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TDC said:
You posted a pic of your shotgun in the phot gallery. You're a hunter, not a shooter. Don't confuse a hunting gun for a defensive or competitive one.

TDC
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Actually that was my tactical pheasant assualt gun. It weighs in the neighborhood of 6 pounds. The Benelli's aren't any heavier. I owned a Stoeger 2000 that was also very light. My 870 was far heavier. I almost bought a Mossberg 835 that was heavy and clunky. The Browning BPS (which I love) is also a heavy pig. I think your only experiance with 'common' semi auto's must be restricted to the 11/87 family. Their not that common anymore. Modern autoloaders are built lighter, more reliable and ###ier than ever before. So much so that their replacing your pump's in your precious tactical applications. Ever try on a M1?

Now, why am I a hunter and not a shooter? Seems to me my shots are a little more important than your shots on paper. My shots carry the burdon of actually taking a life. It's a large responsibility that should never be taken lightly. But, I'm also a shooter. I fire all flavours of firearms, from handguns to large bore rifles every year. Most shots are on a range, how is that different from 'shooters' like yourself? Or do you actively search out Taliban fighters hiding in peoples basements, sweeping from room to room?

We'd still like to see what your shotgun looks like. It sounds impressive. :)
 
Win/64 said:
Where is the "phot" gallery? I am a "hunter not a shooter" WTF. Tell me why do you see very few Pump guns at Competions? Clay shooting is mostly dominated by Semi Autos and O/U's (O/U barrels are mounted vertically :)) Maybe it is because they handle and balance better.
You should try stepping away from the miror, take off your "mall ninja" gear and get out more often.
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The advantage of faster follow up shots is where the O/U and semi shotguns shine with respect to clays. Under ideal circumstances in broad daylight with high visibility targets coming from known locations, the above are great. Their increased barrel length and adjustable choke make them ideal for the trap and skeet arena. The same attributes them allow them to shine at trap and skeet are not desirable in a defensive firearm nor are they attributes for two gun or three gun competitions.

You indicate that you hunt and that is the primary use for your shotgun(s?). Do tell, how many rounds do you fire in a single outing? I doubt most hunters fire enough rounds to ever experience a malfunction or failure. Hence their unwavering belief that rifle/shotgun X is 100% reliable.


TDC

ETA: My experience is not limited to the 11-87. However I have not had the opportunity to shoot the M1(tough to do in someones home). The M1 by most accounts appears to be ultra reliable. Its also $2400 and doesn't solve any problems that a pump gun can't. The M1 is still a shotgun and shotguns have a limited role.
 
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TDC said:
You indicate that you hunt and that is the primary use for your shotgun(s?). Do tell, how many rounds do you fire in a single outing? I doubt most hunters fire enough rounds to ever experience a malfunction or failure. Hence their unwavering belief that rifle/shotgun X is 100% reliable.


TDC
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I'd like to know where you got your info about me?? I usually shoot 3-5 times a week Trap Skeet and once an a while Sporting Clays and usually shoot anywhere from between 100-150 rounds an outing (do the math).
What gun do you shoot that has an "adjustable Choke" Most of us are using removeable Chokes.
Originally this post was about the comparison of two Pump guns. But yet again you have to get on your "Pedestal" and turn it into another "Tactical post".
 
TDC said:
The advantage of faster follow up shots is where the O/U and semi shotguns shine with respect to clays. Under ideal circumstances in broad daylight with high visibility targets coming from known locations, the above are great. Their increased barrel length and adjustable choke make them ideal for the trap and skeet arena. The same attributes them allow them to shine at trap and skeet are not desirable in a defensive firearm nor are they attributes for two gun or three gun competitions.
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Since when are Trap and Sporting Clay targets coming from "know locations"? With every post you make you show you "don't" know anything about Shotgun Sports or Shotguns for that matter.
 
Win/64 said:
I'd like to know where you got your info about me?? I usually shoot 3-5 times a week Trap Skeet and once an a while Sporting Clays and usually shoot anywhere from between 100-150 rounds an outing (do the math).
What gun do you shoot that has an "adjustable Choke" Most of us are using removeable Chokes.
Originally this post was about the comparison of two Pump guns. But yet again you have to get on your "Pedestal" and turn it into another "Tactical post".
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I do have a Mossberg 20ga with an adjustable choke. Removable or interchangable is what I meant.

You're right, the thread was about two pump guns. Comparing anything is dictated by the intended role or use. If you are comparing the two for hunting or target shooting, it doesn't matter. If you're looking at it from the defensive(or offensive) firearm side, the details make a difference.

TDC
 
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