Why so scared to buy an XCR ??

blupul said:
Why are people so scared to buy xcrs . IMO it is the only black rifle to buy.
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To echo one of the above comments, this sounds like a fishing expedition. Anyways, I'll bite.

As someone who buys too many guns to begin with, I can't see ponying up that kind of coin when a few hundred dollars more buys me a PE-90. The PE-90 has a longer (and more positive) history in Canada, lots of experienced users and dealers, and availability for both guns and parts (new and used) seems to be better (save for the recent mag shortage). They are as accurate as I need them to be, non-restricted, and serve and and every role I have needed it for (range gun, varmint gun, etc).

In short, I would rather spend a few bucks more for what I perceive to be both a better gun and a better supported gun. Now if the XCR's price point was closer to that of a 180b, hell, even if it came in at $1500ish, it would be alot easier to justify the cost (and gamble on the consumer support). Instead, if I need a cheap PE-90 alternative, the 180b or Mini 14 Target serve similar roles and while they may not have the rails and whatnot of the XCR, they are also less than half the cost....
 
Davy Crockett said:
out of curiosity, what's customer support like when a SAN rifle goes t**s up? Can you get parts and who fixes them?
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Used to be TSE - now you have to deal with FN sports.......

I suspect TSE will take care of any "old" SAN that were imported by them. For the new ones imported by FN sports, you probably have to pay TSE to look at them,............... or get the famous R.Nicholl customer services.:p
 
I don't think custmer support is too much an issue for XCR in Canada - Wolverine is taking care of their customers pretty well. so far I have not heard of any "first hand" issues here in Canada.

Price tag-wise, well, that's your decision. Back in the days when TSE is still selling SAN at just under 2999 bucks, XCR was selling at 2200 However, SAN are selling at $3300 NOW. So there is alwas a 800 dollars price difference.

On the other hand, USD had devalued more than 10% in the last 30 days. So I suspect prices of US products will start coming down in the coming months provided the FX status presists, for the importers who control their own importation and honestly reflect the lower cost of inventory.
 
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Your getting a whole lot more rifle with the Swiss Arms then you are with the XCR. The only thing the XCR has going for it is that it is non-restricted in Canada and can accept 10 round LAR-15 mags. The AR-15 is a better overall rifle than the XCR right now. Perhaps if Rob Arms decides to refine the design and fix a number of flaws it will have more appeal.

Given the prices of ARs in the USA, I honestly don't know why anyone would opt for an XCR over a quality AR-15, other than the novelty factor of the piston system.
 
greentips said:
On the other hand, USD had devalued more than 10% in the last 30 days. So I suspect prices of US products will start coming down in the coming months provided the FX status presists, for the importers who control their own importation and honestly reflect the lower cost of inventory.
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To quote my wife "What colour is the cherry on your sunday?"

Lower prices...you're funny.:D
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
There are the usual xcr haters- beltfed and armedsask come to mind. One loves his pe90 and the other loves his ar180b, and thinks every piston gun out there copied it's gas system.
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I'm not sure where you get the idea I'm an 'XCR hater'. I've no axe to grind and think I'm being as impartial as can be considering the information at hand and my experience with it, and other rifles. You like it and have justified the cost. I'm glad for you.

Throttle_monkey1 said:
Some people just can't accept that the xcr is a damned good gun.
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This is a debatable point and one that always seems to offend those that think so. I've no idea the purpose of this thread other than to justify to other shooters that your's and other's purchases in the XCR are sound.
That's fine, if you want to beat your drum and wave your flag, fill your boots - but don't blame poor sales on the messenger(s)....
 
I found this quote on an American board. It refers to XCR performance during a 5-day class.

I ran multiple XCRs which I thought I had squared away. They failed in unusual and interesting ways. These ways were impossible to fix without special tools.
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blupul said:
Seventeen wow! I never worried about the price of assualt rifles at that age...... God Bless the internet
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Age has little to do with owning or shooting guns, so long as the governement requirements are met, the young guys (and Girls) are the future for this sport, you'd best not descriminate using age.

I would buy an XCR in a second unfortunately the price is out of sync with the features it offers and I will probably save my money an buy a AR-180b and use the left overs to trick it out and buy ammo.

P.S. having black furniture and a pistol grip do not create an assault rifle

Enjoy your fishing trip:D
 
Was a good fishing trip. In the end no one can really say why a xcr should only be 1200 bucks. Ar`s are really nice restricted guns. what ive learned on this trip is that there are alot of stubborn people who dont want to give things a chance.

Dont have a swiss arms but will probably buy one in the future. if i dont like it ill sell it and lose 200 bucks. Just like i did with the xcr ( to buy the new upgraded trigger version)

Wow one post form U.S forum really changed my mind ,what a peice of crap . why was i so dumb . I should never try things for myself .I should just believe all the bs the internet provides
 
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The XCR could be cheaper... if we cut corners, cheapened materials, and had everything made overseas. Our profit margin here in the US is already fairly minimal compared to other types on the market. The majority of customer feedback is happy that we make 85% of the rifle itself 100 feet away from where they are assembled - and that the rest of the parts come from US vendors. We're pretty proud of that fact too.

We don't have much control over all the hoops that have to be jumped through, resulting in a higher price in Canada. Our rifles run $1500-$1700 here.

As for all the naysayers - I have to shake my head. You really just don't get it. You don't build these rifles or put them through their paces almost every weekend.

Robinson would have gone out of business if we'd stayed with the M96. Would have given some yet another thing to squawk about. In the end, a decision was made that not only kept us in business by skyrocketed our sales and shipping records. that was the XCR. It saved our company, and will be keeping us around for a long time.

IMO, the XCR is sheer perfection. But we are always tweaking to appease the masses.

And no repair or warranty issue goes without being taken care of - unless nobody ever bothers to contact me for help. Throwing a fit at the range and cramming it into the back of a gun cabinet isn't going to fix anything. I even take care of M96 customers. I can't fix all the bad situations that happened back in the day - but I CAN provide a much better customer service standard now.

there's a lot of BS out there on the intarwebz. It's a matter of weeding through it.
 
alexD92 said:
The gun is not worth the tag price.



Minors only allows you to be in possession of it, not own it. His guns are registered to his dads name. At least mine are. :D
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YEP! all 15 of them lol:D

And i bought the AR-180b b/c 1 its was cheaper and 2 i just like the look better nothing to do with the quality or reputation of the XCR at all.
 
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