What would some of our worst groups look like?

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This post from loogie33 got me to thinking......

loogie33 said:
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We are always posting our best groups, myself included. Amazing how many sub-minute rifles we have here. :p

Considering that a three moa rifle would be adequate for 99% of all big game hunting to 200 yd, do any of us ever take pictures of the other groups? :D

Ted
 
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The average computer screen wouldn't be big enough for some of my groups!!:p:p One really bad one that comes to mind was shooting lead bullets, home rolled ammo out of a two groove Lee Enfield. Talk about "flock shooting"... As I recall, the rifle did fine with surplus and jacketed home rolled.
 
I remeber one year I wound up (repeatadly) bouncing my rifle against the dash of the truck going over some very aggressive wash board.

I was unable to hit a dang thing after that...... So I headed down to the range to see WTF!!!!

Turns out I buggered the scope some how...... With that rifle (a model 700 .243) I was getting 4" groups @ 200yrds (factory ammo) before and after I was about 12" at 25yrds........

I replaced the scope and miracleously enough I was getting 2-3" groups at 200 after! It turned out to be a blessing in disguse!

Don't even get me started on my old 38-55 I inherated from my Dads Gandpa....... The broad side of a barn @ 100 yrds is iffy........ No matter what I try the front and rear sight shift every time I pull the trigger....... But all the same, its a keeper/Safe Queen!

Cheers!
 
Trying to get cast bullets to shoot out of my Marlin .44 mag has been an exercise in futility. I'm getting 10" patterns at 25 yds with all the bullets going through the paper sideways.
Anybody need 900 cast bullets?
 
Yes, I have had many groups over the years that definitely didn't pass. Even normally accurate rifles will occasionally find a load they do not like and toss a big group. If you know your rifles shoots better with some other combination, just have to move on. Regards, Eagleye.
 
Well Ted, I too, took notice of the posting by loogie33. My first impression was, "Here is a good honest shooter."
I don't know why it is, but I never see groups at shooting ranges that equal the groups we regularily hear about on GNs.
When someone reports groups, made with sporting rifles, that would make a top quality, competitive bench rest shooter envious, I don't say to myself, "There is an honest shooter."
 
H4831 said:
Well Ted, I too, took notice of the posting by loogie33. My first impression was, "Here is a good honest shooter."
I don't know why it is, but I never see groups at shooting ranges that equal the groups we regularily hear about on GNs.
When someone reports groups, made with sporting rifles, that would make a top quality, competitive bench rest shooter envious, I don't say to myself, "There is an honest shooter."
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:agree:
 
My best group with my hunting rifle (Stevens 200 in 300 win mag) are with my cast bullets with very light loads. My best so far is with a 210 grain bullet. At 50 meters (sorry, that's the longest shot I have handy right now:) ) it's 0.560" in a 5 shot group.

Of course, I should mention the extremely long load development that it took me to get there.....the extreme care I took when loading those cartridges....the neck only sizing after firing the brass in my specfic gun a few times....the stock bedding.....the Timmney target trigger........the Harris bipod and the very solid rear rest.....indoors, with no wind, rain, bugs or otherwise.......5 minutes between shots......and we won't metion the other groups I fired that same day :D LOL!!!

There are definately some firearms that are better than others, no doubt........however, if you get a load and bullet the gun is happy with, and remove the other variables, IMHO, most modern firearms are more accurate than the shooter.
 
H4831 said:
Well Ted, I too, took notice of the posting by loogie33. My first impression was, "Here is a good honest shooter."
I don't know why it is, but I never see groups at shooting ranges that equal the groups we regularily hear about on GNs.
When someone reports groups, made with sporting rifles, that would make a top quality, competitive bench rest shooter envious, I don't say to myself, "There is an honest shooter."
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I've gotten flamed in the past when I mentioned I shot a 4.5 or 5.5 group at 300 meters with my Stevens .223. I'll try and find the post.:D

Found it here. I stand corrected on the flame part...just advice.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259212
 
I had a 6.5x55 Ljungman that would shoot a first shot to point of aim, 2nd shot a few inches away from that, 3rd shot onward the holes were often not round, but sideways profile of a bullet passing through the paper. Let the rifle cool off for 5 minutes and the first shot would be dead centre again. I've seen the same thing with a Lee Enfield that also had a grey bore.
 
Went to the range once with a buddy and something minor had happened to his rifle and he was very concerned about it.

He started talking shots hoping his rifle would group well, it is a BLR that doesn't group well at the best of times. I would throw a couple of my own rounds in his target just to get him excited. First time we went to check, I could see the strain on his face at the bad flyers. He never said a word, but he was sweating

New target up and I kept doing teh same things, one high right one low left. His guts were just churning he was so nervous, so wound up he didn't once comment that there were extra holes on his target. I don't think he ever did notice.

I told him in the end what I had done, had a great laugh at his expense.

They were likely his worst groups
 
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