AIA mags?

Q. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold? As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:

  • 5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
  • 10 cartridges for most handgun magazines
A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.
There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics.
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a6

Direct link to the Criminal code:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cr/SOR-98-462/bo-ga:s_7::sc:1/20090608/en?page=2&isPrinting=false#codesc:1-bo-ga:l_4-gb:s_3-se:3

(1) Any cartridge magazine (a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
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CanAm said:
Q. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold? As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:

5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
10 cartridges for most handgun magazines
A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.
There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics.
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Well that's misleading... the 5 cartridge rule pertains specifically to semi-autos.
 
Fine. Ignore me at your peril. Don't come crying to me when you get charged with possession of a prohibited device.

If you modify the magazine to work, its a prohibited device. If it works without modification, you're good.

If its a question of what the modification is, if the court believes you made the modification to enable it to work in the semi-auto firearm, you're going to lose.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Fine. Ignore me at your peril. Don't come crying to me when you get charged with possession of a prohibited device.

If you modify the magazine to work, its a prohibited device. If it works without modification, you're good.

If its a question of what the modification is, if the court believes you made the modification to enable it to work in the semi-auto firearm, you're going to lose.
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According to numerous sources, you don't need to modify the AIA mag. You just fill it with cartridges and slap it in the reciever, then have a good time. :dancingbanana:
 
cancer said:
According to numerous sources, you don't need to modify the AIA mag. You just fill it with cartridges and slap it in the reciever, then have a good time. :dancingbanana:
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+1

I own an AIA and I also own a few M14s's. I brought them all out to the range a while back and the AIA mags work fine in the M14's without modification.


However, it doesn't make much difference to me weather or not my AIA mag fits in my Norc M14. For the games I play with my M14's, I really don't need any more than a few cartridges in a mag at a time. I'm not worried about zombies or any of the other doomsday scenarios [at least not at this point of my life;-) ] For me, it's just an entertaining issue that highlights a loophole in the current rules(I'm not a fan of the cartridge limits, but I don't care enough to be a "Don Quixote" styled crusader.) For me, the AIA mag in an M14s is merely an interesting novelty act. And, it makes for a great conversation/debate starter (just look at all the threads that have been spun from this topic.)


So, every once in a while I'll bring my AIA and one of my M14's out to the range and do a demo for some friends. I only run a few rounds through the AIA mag while inserted in the M14, just so that I don't stir up a hornets nest with the RO's or other people on the line(Talking sense to some people can be a waste of time and energy, especially when I know full well that I'm likely to set off an alarm in someone's head.) But, my demo's do show that the legal, unmodified AIA mag's work fine in unmodified Norc M14's.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Fine. Ignore me at your peril. Don't come crying to me when you get charged with possession of a prohibited device.

If you modify the magazine to work, its a prohibited device. If it works without modification, you're good.

If its a question of what the modification is, if the court believes you made the modification to enable it to work in the semi-auto firearm, you're going to lose.
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I don't know if that's really correct. The mag is still designed for a bolt gun, even if you drill a hole in it.

If that does manufacutre a prohibited capacity semi-auto mag, is the opposite true? Does that mean that welding the hole up in an M14 manufactures an unregulated capacity bolt gun mag?

Of course the only way to find out would be to go to court after being charged and I'm not aware of any legal proceeding of this nature.
 
Stevo said:
I don't know if that's really correct. The mag is still designed for a bolt gun, even if you drill a hole in it.

If that does manufacutre a prohibited capacity semi-auto mag, is the opposite true? Does that mean that welding the hole up in an M14 manufactures an unregulated capacity bolt gun mag?

Of course the only way to find out would be to go to court after being charged and I'm not aware of any legal proceeding of this nature.
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Stevo has a cool point here. Can a US citizen with all the export licenses and permits take a 10 round M-14 mag, weld the hole shut, get all the necessary Canadian import permits and then import that same mag as an AIA 10 rounder? I'd say "no" because it was originally designed for use in a semi-auto rifle and all that was done was welding up a hole. Which all makes a good point for an AIA mag still being originally manufactured for a bolt rifle even if it has an op-rod dent or hole.
 
I don't know if that's really correct. The mag is still designed for a bolt gun, even if you drill a hole in it.
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I agree. Whether a judge will is something I would not risk.

Their argument will be that by altering the magazine you are re-designing it.
 
vader_z said:
Can a US citizen with all the export licenses and permits take a 10 round M-14 mag, weld the hole shut, get all the necessary Canadian import permits and then import that same mag as an AIA 10 rounder?
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If he gets his new design approved by the RCMP (as Questar did for the LAR-15 mags) then sure he can.

rommelrommel said:
Word. Maybe we can "remanufacture" all our AR15 rifle mags into AR15 pistol mags by moving the rivet from 5 to 10.
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Again, as long as your new desing is reviewed and approved by the RCMP, sure. BTW they already rejected a 10/30 design Questar had also submitted for approval.
 
Gimli said:
If he gets his new design approved by the RCMP (as Questar did for the LAR-15 mags) then sure he can.



Again, as long as your new desing is reviewed and approved by the RCMP, sure. BTW they already rejected a 10/30 design Questar had also submitted for approval.
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Well, it's not actually up to the CFC or the RCMP to decide, all they have is an opinion.

Anyways, I was being sarcastic. If they decide to call one thing remanufacturing (drilling a hole in an existing mag) they open a window that they probably don't want opened (changing rifle mags to pistol.)
 
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