Anyone else tired of the AR Piston Craze?
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So...this thread is about knocking piston modified AR's and people who love Nascar??? Or is it Hot Rods in General? So if you can't afford to build a street rod from the ground up; your "stupid" and/or "retarded" for jamming a big block in your car for sh;ts and giggles. MMmm I would avoid gun and car shows If I saw the world thru your eyes.
Really? I'd like to know how many people use this on a regular basis. I have never used it, and I have shot AR's a very long time in all kinds of conditions.
By using it, all you are doing is taking what is most likely a simple mis-feed that is easy to clear, and then ramming it further into a horrible mess that wont be easy to clear at best and making your AR inoperable until you can take it apart to clear the pounded on round that is jammed at the breech end.
if you have a failure to feed that has jammed something up in the action, you clear it, not ram it further in to make a horrible mess.
The mod was built for soldiers who didn't maintain their rifles in the field properly. (that would be your average american soldier, btw)
Thank you.
I got a chance to talk with one of the armorers who was involved in one of the last phases of the trials for Norway. He said that the only two rifles to go through without any failures were the 416 and the G36. So then it came down to which one they thought was best -retractable stock, rails, etc. They thought the adjustable gas block was a good idea, because an officer had heard it was a "cool" thing to have. Regarding the commercial buffer, he had no clue why they went that route, but he gave the impression that there was alot of pressure from HK to go with a certain setup.
KevinB, what other stuff had you heard about the whole affair?
KevinB, what other stuff had you heard about the whole affair?
There's nothing wrong with gas piston driven platforms. They're rather nice. Clean, cool, efficient, etc. What's the big deal? Why is better considered bad? You can have a couple of each. Like a scoop of each flavor of icecream. 
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There's nothing wrong with gas piston driven platforms. They're rather nice. Clean, cool, efficient, etc. What's the big deal? Why is better considered bad? You can have a couple of each. Like a scoop of each flavor of icecream.
It's not so much that they're knocking the piston system.
It's that some people keep implying that there is something inherently flawed about the direct impingement system that makes it so far inferior to the gas piston that it's nothing short of a divine miracle that the M16 or C7 works at all, and that's assuming you clean it 10 times a day with a dental pick, toothbrush, 50 oz bottle of Hoppes #9, and an ultrasonic cleaning bath.
Not sure if its been said here before, but a piston driven AR is a smart idea in semi-auto or selective fire weapons ... for those who can shoot large amounts of ammo through their firearms. M16/AR15 platform is standard (nothing new) and a cleaner, cooler system is ideal for recreational or defensive purposes (especially with 30 round mags).
In Canada (with our mag restrictions and such) .. there would be little use in paying double the cost for the same rifle platform .. but if I had the cash I would have one too
In Canada (with our mag restrictions and such) .. there would be little use in paying double the cost for the same rifle platform .. but if I had the cash I would have one too
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I'm not sure where the idea that a piston driven system is any cleaner than the direct impingement type. It is still a gas system, and the gas still has to end up somewhere.
I'm sure a lot of us remember the old FN, and the pain in the ass it was to clean the gas plug and the head of the gas piston. Sometimes having to take a wrench to it to take it apart. For some reason, the carbon never seems to build up as fast in the C7 as it would do in the FN.
I'm sure a lot of us remember the old FN, and the pain in the ass it was to clean the gas plug and the head of the gas piston. Sometimes having to take a wrench to it to take it apart. For some reason, the carbon never seems to build up as fast in the C7 as it would do in the FN.
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Do modern day soldiers use direct gas systems or do they upgrade to the piston system?
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OK I'm aware of this.... what does the military supply them with then??? and do special units maby get these piston systems...??? or even a step farther do swat teams use these systems????
CF issues DI rifles/carbines. Last SWAT team guys that I shot with were not using piston driven setups.
It would appear from this article that the army recognizes a reliability issue with the DI system and Delta force has upgraded to a piston style AR as the piston style guns including a piston AR have about 1/4 the stoppages the M4 does... h ttp://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/
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OK but realistically DI guns have been used in combat for quite some time now, they must be reliable, no? It must be a good system, no? ..... I just don't get why guys upgrade to these systems, I can understand the upgrade junkie type guy that loves to tinker with his guns, if you got the money why not.... But to do the upgrade solely based on this myth about it being that much more reliable, seems silly... Does a DI gun Fail to feed or fail to eject that often?
