CFC does NOT need to talk to spouse?

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The CFC has had my application for less than 28 days, but as advised on CGN, I called in, and have asked my references to call in.

I assumed my wife - you know, the person who has to live with a gun toting freak :rolleyes: - would have to do an interview with the CFC, so I had her call in.

It turns out they told her they didn't have to talk to her - unless specifically flagged - and they didn't ask her anything.

So, let me get this straight ... they have to talk to me. I have to be not stupid enough to contradict what I wrote on my application. They have to talk to my references ... people who, presumably, I have checked with ahead of time so they won't screw it up for me. But my wife, who may or may not have a legitimate grievance as regards me getting my RPAL ... they don't have to talk to her?!

WTF? :confused:

Whatever. :rolleyes:
 
I think its an Ontario thing. Somehow many in that province believe that most tools or activities are heavily controlled and require psych tests/dna samples/ineterviews and extreme training to participate.

TDC
 
My wife signed mine showing that she had no problems with my posessing firearms. On one of the pages there was a place for wife/commonlaw wife/ex wife to sign off.
 
It's not so much a ''complaint'' ...

Goozyman said:
and you are complaining about this why?
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... as it is an expression of annoyance at a stupid system.

I mean, they asked my reference questions like, "do you think he would harm school children?" as if they guy I asked to be a reference would say, "you know what, now that you mention it ..." :jerkit: And they ask me if I've ever suffered from depression or thought about suicide. "Why, yes, I do suffer from depression, and I am suicidal ... is that a problem?" :confused:

All the hassle and jumping through hoops to get a licence, and they don't check with the one person who knows you best, and might have actual concerns about you having guns. Idiots.
 
Good Citizen said:
... as it is an expression of annoyance at a stupid system.

I mean, they asked my reference questions like, "do you think he would harm school children?" as if they guy I asked to be a reference would say, "you know what, now that you mention it ..." :jerkit: And they ask me if I've ever suffered from depression or thought about suicide. "Why, yes, I do suffer from depression, and I am suicidal ... is that a problem?" :confused:

All the hassle and jumping through hoops to get a licence, and they don't check with the one person who knows you best, and might have actual concerns about you having guns. Idiots.
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I'm not married but I certainly agree with this. A lot of those questions seemed pretty pointless. They do a background check anyway do they not? So there wouldn't be much point in lying about it. And if they don't, why bother with the references/questions at all, because no criminal or psychopath who was determined to get a licence would answer them honestly regardless.

Makes me wonder how many people have actually attempted to get a licence with references who said they were violent people or whatever and/or reported a history of crime or suicidal tendencies on their applications.
 
Make sure to stay on "reasonable" terms with your recent ex, or she could make things difficult to impossible for you. That is one reference which is always checked. Fortunately, things went well for me when I was in that situation many years ago.
 
I thought it a little weird also when they did not contact my wife. I figured this was the most important person to contact. Although she was my photo guarantor and did sign the forms.

Even after my first restricted purchase. No calls. I'm not complaining, but the most logical person was never contacted.
 
"...All the hassle and jumping through hoops to get a licence..." That's the whole point. To make it as difficult and expensive as possible.
 
The whole reference thing is nonsense.

Who would use a reference that would contradict them anyway?

Notice that now references upon renewals are not required.
 
easy said:
The whole reference thing is nonsense.

Who would use a reference that would contradict them anyway?

Notice that now references upon renewals are not required.
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Well this is pretty much it.I mean, would you not use the people who hate you the most as your references ?Sillyness if you ask me.

BB
 
And yet ...

OldRanger said:
If you notice the little 800 number in the section where your spouce signs.

If they sign it, it's presumed they are ok with it unless "uncertainties" arrise.

Your 2 referance are checked out as well....
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... I tell them I want an RPAL for target shooting and gun collecting, I check boxes stating that I am not suicidal, suffered recent relationship breakdown, etc., but they ask me again on the phone. Shouldn't they "presume" I'm not going to change my story?

Which is more likely - that I'll blurt out "I want to carry a concealed pistol for self-defence", or that I got my wife to sign something without giving her a chance to read it properly? :confused:

I know, I know ... I should probably shut up about all this before I give someone a great idea.
 
Quite right

easy said:
The whole reference thing is nonsense.

Who would use a reference that would contradict them anyway?

Notice that now references upon renewals are not required.
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I suppose that's really the point of my OP. Yet another example of the glaring stupidity of firearms law in this country.

I suppose it's actually a good thing that they don't necessarily interview your spouse ... one of the few things they got right. It would be grossly unfair (i.e. more so than the process already is) to allow someone else's unsubstantiated opinion to infringe on my rights (yet again).
 
So, what would have made you happy? A police car coming to your house, couple guys come out, sit down and have coffees with your wife for an hour, then you get to show them where you propose to store the firearms?
You called in, and had your References and your wife call in, WHY???? Send the app, IF they call, answer all questions truthfully. Ask references to answer any questions truthfully, IF they are called. Same for the wife. It's as though you WANT there to be more hassle. It's already more paper work and hassle than it should be, I say that, and my only hassle is a 2 minute call when I'm doing a transfer. The CFC would be bragging about how much $$$ the registry cost if it were done your way.
Guns were bought and sold with no licenses, no registry for decades. Were we in more danger then, or now? Was gun crime more, or less prevalent before the registry? The mere fact that you are applying for a license, should be enough to let them know you are a stand up guy, who deserves to be granted the privilege of buying guns (check the charter, guns or even property in general, is NOT your "right").
 
With racial profiling, warrantless wire tapping, the Carnivore program and all the rest im suprised that they even require you to take a safety course.....
 
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