IPSC International Production category 9mm: Glock or CZ SP-01 Shadow?
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Madness is 100% correct. If you shoot IPSC/IDPA "NEVER" sight your gun in on a rest. That is not how you shoot in competition.....why would you practice or sight-in a gun differently?
I would suggest that the groups be done off-hand, but now the guy with the largest spread will claim that it was his error and not his perfect gun!!
If you can hit "minute-of-pie-plate" at 50 yards consistantly with your IPSC pistol, you will probably be just fine for accuracy. I have only seen a few shots farther than that in competition. They are rare.
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At the top of the Worlds one shooter stands out and he shoots a CZ Shadow., as did the winning team.
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Bob
And.... At the top of the world Nationals, one shooter was shooting something ???, and now he has joined the Sig Sauer team.
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If I had to pick one for the reasons mentioned, I would go with the Glock, but only after my Sig Sauer. If Glocks were prettier and made of SS, I would go with either or...
I love this thread!!!
I also love the guys that bash Glocks.
Want facts? Or do you want preferences?
Just as Quigley has pointed out up top......the Glocks can compete with the best. Kind of funny isn't it? Tupperware?
Sevigney has beat SV, STI, Tanfoglio, you name it.....with a Glock.....on even terms (actually with a round count disadvantage!) at US Nationals. This, against all the BEST with their favourite firearms, or at least the ones they are paid to shoot. Sevigney is no more of a God than the next best 20 shooters. This includes our own M Burrell from Ontario. They are ALL capable of winning a (US) National match at that level. That said, they are all within probably 5% skill level to each other. Now, onto the guns.
Truth....Glocks are harder to shoot accurately shot to shot under low split times.
Truth....Most people can't shoot Glocks worth a crap!!
Truth....I have shot the other firearms mentioned, and I believe I would be faster/ more accurate with many of them. There are MANY great firearms.
Truth....NONE of them are as reliable, and simple as a Glock.wrong, in numerous independent, as well as government tests, Glock did not fare any better than any other current, modern pistol submitted by any of the big 4/5
Truth.....None of them have magazines that are remotely as reliable as a Glock factory magazine.wrong, see above
Truth....Many people will argue some of my points, but they will be wrong. You can't please everyone, but I think I have seen enough good shooters and matches to back up my statements.
A Glock is a fine firearm. It is by no means the best firearm, prettiest, most accurate, or fastest. wrong, this is all personal preference, some people think they look awesome, and a lot can shoot them at times rivaling tricked SA guns
If I had to trust my life to one firearm, there is no question in my mind that I would choose a Glock.
Glock bashing is common for those without the skill levels needed to shoot them competitively. Doesn't make sense when you look at the facts though, does it? Facts are.....just that, facts.
Bottom line is: Shoot what you like, and are comfortable with. You will find after shooting hundred of matches, that you can shoot some guns more comfortably than others. If they are reliable, then use them. Just don't pee on someone else's parade for choosing differently.
how's that for arguing?
Hey this is a test of the gun not our shooting inability, although there will be some of that on my partin any event.
Besides the rules are already agreed to. Madness you are far to serious.My results posted on a new thread
Take Care
Bob
Don't buy the decocker model if you are used to the 1911's. The SP-01 comes with the regular safety as well and the Shadow doesn't come with a decocker.
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Bob
And.... At the top of the world Nationals, one shooter was shooting something ???, and now he has joined the Sig Sauer team.
"World Nationals" - that is a contradiction in terms. If you are talking about the US Nationals, well some of the best US shooters were at the IPSC World event in Bali and got their asses handed to them by double World Champion Adam Tyc but you knew that right. CZ also won the Team Event as well if memory serves me correctly.
Take Care
Bob
ps I agree all of the top shooters are outstanding shooters and I wuold suggest they could swap guns with each other and the results would not be significantly different. Buying a gun solely because some Pro shooter won the Newfie World Open is probably the worst reason to buy it. They shoot what they get paid to shoot.
Sorry I forgot about the decocking levered model. I meant that it seems that it would be disconcerting to decock the Shadow as it's got the same controls as a 1911, which I never decocked on a loaded chamber. Always condition 0 or 3 as the writers of the time warned against ADs if monkeying with the hammer. So should I be concerned?
Concerned no. Careful yes. Thre really isn't anything to it. Just place your thumb firmly on top of the hammer, pull the trigger and ease the hammer down. Practice it a few times and you will be good to go.
Take Care
Bob
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Bob
That wouldn't be alowed in IPSC Prod. Don't try and figure out the logic
If you have a decocker that drops it to half ####...that's OK...but if you manually lower the hammer...it has to be all the way.
Welcome to Prod Dicision
Quigley that is a little unfair to the rules committee. The half #### position on a Shadow and the decocked position on the SP-01 Tactical are not the same thing. The half #### position loads the mainspring more than does the decocked position. The result is that all else being equal the half cocked position would give you a lighter and shorter trigger pull than the decocked position.
Take Care
Bob
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Bob
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100% Correct. Max was not sponsored by a manufacturer - his sponsorship was US Army - shooting Open. (Although his gun was STI trubor based) He got a job with Sig and left the Army.
FYI - There are no manufacturer's teams ranked in the official results of the IPSC Worlds, only countries, although I'm sure the CZ sponsored shooters in production probably ranked as a group ahead of any other sponsored shooters.canuck44 said:
