RPAL to buy primers?

Sight works good Drew, Looking forward to seeing the bullets and throwing them down range. (hopefully in tight little groups;))
 
Duck_Hunter said:
Msg.Drew I didn't mean to start a flame fest here. Just wondered when the laws started requiring a PAL/RPAL for components, your EE post was the first time I had heard of this. It doesn't surprise me to hear the CFO has made up some more of their own rules.
Anyways, I've always thought your prices are very competitive and congratulations on the new site!
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There is no law that requires the buyer to have any kind of actual license. The seller is supposed to maintain a powder log of who's buying powder, but that's it. A lot of places don't bother/the log gets misplaced...whatever. Wholesale Sports in Edmonton would record purchases for 3 or 4 months, then the log would disappear for 6 months, then come back. No ID was ever required. Eddie VanHalen has bought powder at WSS in Edmonton more times than I can count. Jimmy Hendrix has been there. I even saw Elvis Presleys name in there. Once I'm back, Kim Jong Il is getting into reloading LOL!!!!

Hey, Pete. Can I get a copy of your RPAL and your phone number and address for that powder and those primers I sold you ??? ROFL!!!!!
 
I will follow all legal requirements when buying reloading components,but I will not buy from any business that makes it's own policies above and beyond the legal requirements.
There are already too many firearms regulations to obey without any extra store policies.
 
blacksmithden said:
There is no law that requires the buyer to have any kind of actual license. The seller is supposed to maintain a powder log of who's buying powder, but that's it. A lot of places don't bother/the log gets misplaced...whatever. Wholesale Sports in Edmonton would record purchases for 3 or 4 months, then the log would disappear for 6 months, then come back. No ID was ever required. Eddie VanHalen has bought powder at WSS in Edmonton more times than I can count. Jimmy Hendrix has been there. I even saw Elvis Presleys name in there. Once I'm back, Kim Jong Il is getting into reloading LOL!!!!

Hey, Pete. Can I get a copy of your RPAL and your phone number and address for that powder and those primers I sold you ??? ROFL!!!!!
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Sure can, soon as you show me your business permit for selling in Timmies parking lot! LOL
 
I've been asked 2 times (in Ontario) to show my pal for powder/primers, both times happened in the last 4 days. I had purchased primers and powder before from these 2 places and they had never asked for nothing. I thought only ammunition sales were kept in the log.
There were also posts on here a little while ago about the logs being scrapped in Ontario.

Pistol bullets can be bought in Ontario with a regular PAL.
 
warrenb said:
....Pistol bullets can be bought in Ontario with a regular PAL.
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A PAL is now required to buy pistol bullets?

FWIW when I was running my business, there were potential customers who had FACs/PALs to whom I would not sell a firearm. I figured I knew them better than the authorities did, and I felt I didn't need the money badly enough to supply a firearm to someone I wouldn't trust with a watergun.
 
There is no law that requires the buyer to have any kind of actual license. The seller is supposed to maintain a powder log of who's buying powder, but that's it. A lot of places don't bother/the log gets misplaced...whatever. Wholesale Sports in Edmonton would record purchases for 3 or 4 months, then the log would disappear for 6 months, then come back. No ID was ever required. Eddie VanHalen has bought powder at WSS in Edmonton more times than I can count. Jimmy Hendrix has been there. I even saw Elvis Presleys name in there. Once I'm back, Kim Jong Il is getting into reloading LOL!!!!

Hey, Pete. Can I get a copy of your RPAL and your phone number and address for that powder and those primers I sold you ??? ROFL!!!!!
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Yes there is if you store for sale more than 12 KG of powder or 10000 Primers.

When you are dealing Face to face, you can get by without seeing ID but not the Record of Sales if you are licensed.
Small vendors do not require a license but when I enquired 18 months ago the word from NRCAN was :
Hello Mr. Dinsdale,
Thank you for your email related to the sale of powder and primers online The following is information related to the Explosives Act and its Regulations.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/E-17/index.html
Please note that provinces and municipalities may also have their own regulations related to this topic and they should be followed as well.
Please note that in Part X - Section 120 (1) of the Regulations, no person shall knowingly sell any explosives to a person who is under 18 years of age, or appears to be under 18 years of age and does not produce evidence that he is 18 years of age or older.
Due to the fact that you will be doing online sales, it is requested that you provide the Explosives Regulatory Division (ERD) with an explanation as to how you are going to ensure that you will not knowingly sell powder to a person who is under 18 years of age or appears to be under 18 years of age and does not produce evidence that they are 18 years of age or older.

Please find attached a copy of Bulletin #8 which summarizes the regulatory requirements for propellants, primers and sporting ammunition Refer to Sections 12, 20 – 26 and 28 for sales requirements.

<<Bulletin 8 - Propellant Explosives.pdf>>
If you plan on storing for sale over 12 kg of powder or 10 000 primers, then a licence will be required from ERD. If you have any questions about the licence, please do not hesitate to contact myself or any of the Ontario regional inspectors.
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/cont/conlist_e.htm#ontregion
You should also contact the Chief Firearms Officer for the province of your business in order to get full details on any further requirements for ammunition sales under the Firearms Act.
I hope I was able to answer your question, and if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
Thank You,
NRCA Guy
Inspector of Explosives, Trainee / Inspecteur des explosifs, stagiaire
Explosives Regulatory Division / Division de la réglementation des explosifs
ESSB / DSSE - MMS / SMM
Natural Ressources Canada / Ressources naturelles Canada
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I take PAL/RPAL/POL as proof for online sales to fulfil the requirements from NRCAN.
 
By blacksmithden:There is no law that requires the buyer to have any kind of actual license.
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dinsdale said:
Yes there is if you store for sale more than 12 KG of powder or 10000 Primers.

When you are dealing Face to face, you can get by without seeing ID but not the Record of Sales if you are licensed.
Small vendors do not require a license but when I enquired 18 months ago the word from NRCAN was :


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I take PAL/RPAL/POL as proof for online sales to fulfil the requirements from NRCAN.
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No, there isn't. The SELLER, yes. The BUYER, no. A drivers licences or any other form of ID would fulfill the requirements. No where in the reguations does it say the buyer must have a PAL, POL, FAC, or RPAL firearms license.
 
blacksmithden said:
No, there isn't. The SELLER, yes. The BUYER, no. A drivers licences or any other form of ID would fulfill the requirements. No where in the reguations does it say the buyer must have a PAL, POL, FAC, or RPAL firearms license.
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You , of course are correct, the issue with being an Ontario business does make choosing PAL/RPAL/POL as ID much more acceptable for blind transactions. Aside from an age of Majority card (do they still issue these?) few types of ID are restricted to those over 18.
 
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