1911 or Glock ( what do you think?? )

[TGC]

1911 of course, to bad thereis not a 1911 model with double action, or is there?

 

[Gundoggy]

Para ordnance LDA have a light DAO trigger similar in feel to the LEM in HK's. Comes with a safety too.

 

[fleury]

Well I think that 1911 are a proven gun, when to many war and are still being used today.

Glock are good and reliable, but they didn't get as much time in the field has a 1911.

I personally go for the 1911 ( I had owned a glock didn't like it). Think about it there are so many glock on the market, it must be for a good reason

 

[novega]

...The fact the Latvian Army uses Glocks is of little value to me who shoots Action Pistol, steel plates and tin cans none of which likely interests the Latvian Army. Why not suggest I buy a Glock because David Savigny won the US IDPA Nationals using a Glock. It would have about as much relevance. David Savigny could and would win shooting a water gun on most days.

I agree with you, you can't compare military/LE usage to gaming. But like TDC said, that list was really just a response to someone who questioned what forces were using Glocks.

Too, the British Army uses the High Power as does the Cdn Army. The US Army uses the Beretta. Just a guess but I suggest if you were chosing sides you might want to be on the side of the armies who use something other than the Glock or do you really think the Latvian Armys use of the Glock has any meaningful input into these discussions. Can't remember the last time the Latvians were in a meaningful conflict....can you?

Can you tell me when the last time Canada was in a meaningful conflict in which the Latvians weren't involved? Because I can't think of anything lately. I tend to think the Latvian Military has about the same credibility as the Canadian Forces when it comes to equipment selection. Both have been involved in pretty much the same number of recent conflicts and both have about the same requirements of their equipment.

 

[NAA]

NAA,

Its a tool, not a mantle piece.

TDC

I would never expect a lover of the plastic pistol to appreciate an all stock, as issued, correct, matching WWII vintage USGI 1911A1 pistol....

NAA.

 

[NAA]

1911 of course, to bad thereis not a 1911 model with double action, or is there?

It's filed under "an ingenious solution to a non-existent problem".....

NAA.

 

[TDC]

Well I think that 1911 are a proven gun, when to many war and are still being used today.

Glock are good and reliable, but they didn't get as much time in the field has a 1911.

I personally go for the 1911 ( I had owned a glock didn't like it). Think about it there are so many glock on the market, it must be for a good reason

Of course Glock hasn't had the same amount of field time, they've been around for 1/4 the time the 1911 has.

I would never expect a lover of the plastic pistol to appreciate an all stock, as issued, correct, matching WWII vintage USGI 1911A1 pistol....

NAA.

Don't get me wrong, an all matching vintage 1911 is cool, but its still a tool.

TDC

 

[Canuck44]

Can you tell me when the last time Canada was in a meaningful conflict in which the Latvians weren't involved?

Yes, Afghanistan is the most recent. I don't recall the Latvians being there but they may have been.

Because I can't think of anything lately. I tend to think the Latvian Military has about the same credibility as the Canadian Forces when it comes to equipment selection. Both have been involved in pretty much the same number of recent conflicts and both have about the same requirements of their equipment.

You must be living under a rock. I can think of a few conflicts the Canadian Armed Forces have bee involved with of recent date.
Afghanistan
Gulf War 1
Pirates off the coast of Somalia
Bosnia

I know I do the Armed Forces a disservice by only listing four. Anyone else wants to add to the list feel free.

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Take Care

Bob

 

[sw686blue]

Without question, a 1911.

 

[novega]

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Can you tell me when the last time Canada was in a meaningful conflict in which the Latvians weren't involved?

Yes, Afghanistan is the most recent. I don't recall the Latvians being there but they may have been.

The Latvians certainly are and have been for quite some time

Because I can't think of anything lately. I tend to think the Latvian Military has about the same credibility as the Canadian Forces when it comes to equipment selection. Both have been involved in pretty much the same number of recent conflicts and both have about the same requirements of their equipment.

You must be living under a rock. I can think of a few conflicts the Canadian Armed Forces have bee involved with of recent date.
Afghanistan
Gulf War 1
Pirates off the coast of Somalia
Bosnia

With the exception of "Pirates off the coast of Somalia" Latvia has been involved in all of those as well PLUS the Current conflict in Iraq.

So my question still stands. Maybe this time you can attack the subject matter without suggesting that I live under a rock, despite making foolish statements which would indicate it is YOU that is uninformed.

"Can you tell me when the last time Canada was in a meaningful conflict in which the Latvians weren't involved?

 

[yyyyy]

Massad Ayoob has tracked a number of cases where a manual safety has saved the lives of police officers who lost control of their gun. In the same vein some guns with magazine safeties also did as well, basically the owner has a 'kill switch' if they are in a struggle for the gun.

I'll PM Mas on The High Road and ask him to post here if people doubt those cases. The presence of a safety is yet another 'piece of the puzzle' that people have to decide on when picking a gun. It is not the only reason to pick a gun but to dismiss it shows a lack of consideration for various aspects of carrying a gun.

Some scumbags in the US also train in weapon disarms using leverage.

That being said, I currently tend to favor plastic pistols without a safety myself.

Excellent post. Would love to see what you come up with.

Yes, criminals have and are training in weapons disarms. There is video of it from prison and it is actually quite sophisticated.

That is why you have to vet who is coming to your classes...

 

[Nick E]

I would never expect a lover of the plastic pistol to appreciate an all stock, as issued, correct, matching WWII vintage USGI 1911A1 pistol....

NAA.

cheers bro

 

[surfwaxcdn]

Not sure why there is this ongoing debate when everyone knows the answer is SIG (SAS, JTF-2, SEALS)..........all kidding aside I really like the GLOCK.

 

[Pietro Beretta]

I LOVE my Colt Government Model .45, but if I could have only one, it would be a GLOCK.
Lighter, industructable, accurate, hi-capacity, perfection.

Glock 17 9x19, night sights, 17-shot mags, M3X Tactical Illuminator (Streamlight), 115 gr. +P FMJ for longer engagments, and 147 gr. Federal Hydra-Shock hollow points for up-close N personal

Like it or not, but that G17 combo is superior to a 7-shot heavy .45...no, really.. it is.

 

[Silverado]

Excellent post. Would love to see what you come up with.

Yes, criminals have and are training in weapons disarms. There is video of it from prison and it is actually quite sophisticated.

That is why you have to vet who is coming to your classes...

Do you have a link or search for said video? I would be interested in seeing that.

 

[Gunney]

ANother reason for it's "popularity" among police forces and some military is also the calibre it was originally released in. 9mm is a basic standard amongst NATO and so if you can equip with a uniform weapon you have less ammunition supply problems. Another reason is that you can make plastic pistols cheaper and faster than you can those forged fom steel.

This is a debate - like many that revolve around personal preference - that is never ending.

 

[cwblackwell88]

Also some replies are basically saying the US army doesnt have it as standard so it must be crap. Don't forget that Glock doesn't get much of a chance in trials with the US when they specify they want a pistol with a second strike capability without doing the whole " tap and rack."

 

[Canuck44]

The Latvians certainly are and have been for quite some time

You all 160 of them. Quite the formidable force.


With the exception of "Pirates off the coast of Somalia" Latvia has been involved in all of those as well PLUS the Current conflict in Iraq.

Yes with 136 troops

So my question still stands.

I think you are still living under a rock when you suggest the Canadian Army has not been in any significant armed conflicts recently. I should also point out it was with significant forces not token.

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Take Care

Bob

 

[novega]

You all 160 of them. Quite the formidable force.

Yes with 136 troops

Those numbers (296 of 5,000) represent roughly the same proportions as the Canadian contribution in Afghanistan. Let me ask you this...would it be equally fair for me to try to devalue the Canadian contribution to recent conflicts when compared to...say, the US?

I think you are still living under a rock when you suggest the Canadian Army has not been in any significant armed conflicts recently. I should also point out it was with significant forces not token.

Whoa Whoa Whoa... I NEVER, EVER suggested that the Canadian Forces were not in any significant conflicts recently. This began when you tried to devalue the role of Latvia (and I would assume other small European Nations) in recent conflicts...I simply pointed out that the country you chose to single out (Latvia), has indeed been in almost every single conflict that the Canadians have. (minus Somali Pirates but plus Iraq)

In fact, their contribution is rather significant given the size of their country and is pretty much proportional to the Canadians. They both operate in the same diverse theaters and contribute proportionally to the same missions. Their duty weapons are exposed to the same conditions. To me, that makes their selection of sidearm equally valid to the selection of any other nation that has it's troops involved overseas.

Does the fact that so many soldiers, sailors and airmen carry "x" or "y" weapon make a lick of difference to any of us? Probably not, at least not for me...but next time you decide to make these crazy claims, be prepared to be called out on it.

 

[sparrow]

A while back there was a cartoon about two room mates, one a Glock guy, the other a 1911 guy and they divide their apartment in half...has someone got that saved on their computer...I can't seem to find it.