Lead Out

[H4831]

Johnn, I have one cartridge only, of #3 shot. That would do when they got beyond range of your #7! Only problem is mine is a 16 gauge.
The low brass base is marked, "DOMINION REGAL, No 16.
The wad on the front is marked with a good sized, "3."
On the rim of the wad, partially covered by the fold of the case, is marked, "BALLISTITE."
On the opposite side of the wad is the famous, D.C. Co.

Maybe Ganderite would know something about it.

 

[gunstock]

You don't need any solvents to get lead out. Take one of the those copper "curly kate" things from the kitchen that are used to clean dishes, cut it up, wrap some of it around your bore brush and push it though. It will cut the lead out in a pass or two. Just make sure you stay away from stainless.

What harm do the curly kate/chore boys do on Stainless guns? Do you use them dry or with your bore cleaner?

 

[beretta boy]

"Ballistite" is the name given by Nobel to double-based smokeless powder. Your cartridge so-marked is probably from the time when both black and smokeless powders were both still generally available. Pre-30's ?

I have some old full-length brass 12 gauge cartridges ... nothing in printing on the top wad ... or it has degenerated over time.

 

[M12shooter]

Did that too !

Also recall mixing powdered asbestos into a dough to use as insulation around the lead melting pot ! All on a workbench in the basement with no mechanical ventilation or any other kind of safety measures to speak of. Cast literally thousands of Lyman 421429 Keith bullets for the .44 Spcl / 44 Mag. down there. Ahhh, Mercury, Asbestos, Lead, toxic fumes of all sorts. But like that President said : "I didn't inhale, though !" Yeah, right.

Shouldn't I be dead or at least gravely ill ????

...and were are still alive!

 

[M12shooter]

To bring out the best in the paper hulls, it took a damp morning on a wheat field!

A cool damp October morning in the marsh really brought the delicious aroma of spent papers out! Remember the orange colored Canuck "Heavy 5's", those ###y looking purple Imperial "high brass"... and who could forget the ones that no one could afford... red CIL Maxums. Yup those were shotshells!

No quads, power motors, not a no trespassing signs to be seen! The only auto loaders seen were those carried by Americans... and legions of mallards that actually acted like ducks. Would go back to those days of my youth in a second!

 

[Gatehouse]

What harm do the curly kate/chore boys do on Stainless guns? Do you use them dry or with your bore cleaner?

Stainless chore boys woudl be rough on barrels.

 

[H4831]

This posting has evolved into a very pleasant theme!
Yes, the memories. I mostly hunted ducks on the fields. Farmers we had never seen before would just about say, "please, come and shoot them on my swathed fields."
So you just lay down beside a windrow, cover up a bit and get ready for a BIG flock of mallards to circle over.
Or, goose hunting in the Quill Lakes area with the wifes cousin, second generation owner of a well known butcher shop in town, who knew every farmer for many miles around. We didn't have to ask permission to go onto a farm, he knew he could go. We have come back to town for coffee and he ran into a farmer who's farm we had been hunting on that morning. The cousin caled to him across the coffee shop and told him we had just come back from hunting geese on his farm. Only reply was, "How many did you get?" Fabulous times.
I always remember the sequence of morning goose hunts. Get settled into the pits you dug the night before. In the crisp early morning October air would soon come the melodeous tones of a farmers rooster giving his morning wake up call. Then another and soon from every direction they were crowing.
Next came the bang bang--bang bang--bang bang of a farmers John Deere starting up. Start watching and listening, the geese would not be far behind.

 

[Ganderite]

Back to the lead theme. I had a leaded 9mm last week. 5 rounds of jacketed ammo blew it all out. Cleaned easy after that.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Yes, using a few rounds of jacketted after cast will take a lot of the lead out.
I prefer to shoot a few jacketted rounds during the shoot, as well as at the end.
Bear in mind that having lead in the bore will raise pressures when you shoot a jacketted round through. So running a max loaded jacketted round through might not be to bright.
The above, a brush, and Hoppes #9 have served my purposes for lead shoots, for many years.

I presume by your having lead in a 94, that you are not shooting black powder velocities.
Hows the load development going?

 

[warrenb]

I built a big rabbit hutch out of sheet asbestos in the mid 70s. Had to be the heaviest rabbit hutch in all of Christondom. When my uncle saw it, he disposed of the rabbit and the hutch at the same time. I became a keen rabbit hunter after that and my asthma is fine.

 

[Gatehouse]

Yes, using a few rounds of jacketted after cast will take a lot of the lead out.
I prefer to shoot a few jacketted rounds during the shoot, as well as at the end.
Bear in mind that having lead in the bore will raise pressures when you shoot a jacketted round through. So running a max loaded jacketted round through might not be to bright.
The above, a brush, and Hoppes #9 have served my purposes for lead shoots, for many years.

I presume by your having lead in a 94, that you are not shooting black powder velocities.
Hows the load development going?

Only tried 2 bullet so far,a 300gr FN...20gr Lil Gun and it zips out at about 1500fps. I'd hunt with that load and/or use it for defense, but for plinking I'd use the other load- a 255gr SWC with the same powder charge. Both seem accurate enough in both rifle and Ruger Bisley revolver.

 

[polaris]

You don't need any solvents to get lead out. Take one of the those copper "curly kate" things from the kitchen that are used to clean dishes, cut it up, wrap some of it around your bore brush and push it though. It will cut the lead out in a pass or two. Just make sure you stay away from stainless.

Just make sure it is copper and not copper plated steel wool...
you can always use a magnet, if in doubt...

 

[joebanana]

What harm do the curly kate/chore boys do on Stainless guns? Do you use them dry or with your bore cleaner?

A *copper* curly kate/chore boy does no harn to any barrel since it is the same material as a jacketed bullet. There are some made out of stainless though, and these would be very abrasive. Stay clear of them. I just wrap enough material around a bore brush to get a fairly tight fit and put it though dry. Like I said, a pass or two and the lead is gone. After that you can put a little bore cleaner though just to brighten things up. I learned this method from Marshall Stanton of Beartooth Bullets http://www.beartoothbullets.com/

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Only tried 2 bullet so far,a 300gr FN...20gr Lil Gun and it zips out at about 1500fps. I'd hunt with that load and/or use it for defense, but for plinking I'd use the other load- a 255gr SWC with the same powder charge. Both seem accurate enough in both rifle and Ruger Bisley revolver.

1500 fps with a 300 grain bullet is very respectable. Now that might get me an argument from the guys who've never tried the old and slow stuff. But as I've hunted with 200 grain at 900 fps with success, I'll ignore them.
That load will leave nice 45 caliber holes in both sides of most critters, and will likely shoot flat enough for a hundred yards with no hold over.
The load I mentioned above in my 44-40, could only manage 60 yards, and I'd have to hold a bit high, quite a bit at a hundred.

 

[M12shooter]

This posting has evolved into a very pleasant theme!
Yes, the memories. I mostly hunted ducks on the fields. Farmers we had never seen before would just about say, "please, come and shoot them on my swathed fields."
So you just lay down beside a windrow, cover up a bit and get ready for a BIG flock of mallards to circle over.
Or, goose hunting in the Quill Lakes area with the wifes cousin, second generation owner of a well known butcher shop in town, who knew every farmer for many miles around. We didn't have to ask permission to go onto a farm, he knew he could go. We have come back to town for coffee and he ran into a farmer who's farm we had been hunting on that morning. The cousin caled to him across the coffee shop and told him we had just come back from hunting geese on his farm. Only reply was, "How many did you get?" Fabulous times.
I always remember the sequence of morning goose hunts. Get settled into the pits you dug the night before. In the crisp early morning October air would soon come the melodeous tones of a farmers rooster giving his morning wake up call. Then another and soon from every direction they were crowing.
Next came the bang bang--bang bang--bang bang of a farmers John Deere starting up. Start watching and listening, the geese would not be far behind.

I hear ya brother...and that pulsating thud thud of a two cylinder John Deere... now that's a memory! Asking permission to hunt...dusty old farmers would just say "the ducks don't only eat my grain, they sh!t on it too...kill all ya want!"

 

[Gatehouse]

1500 fps with a 300 grain bullet is very respectable. Now that might get me an argument from the guys who've never tried the old and slow stuff. But as I've hunted with 200 grain at 900 fps with success, I'll ignore them.
That load will leave nice 45 caliber holes in both sides of most critters, and will likely shoot flat enough for a hundred yards with no hold over.
The load I mentioned above in my 44-40, could only manage 60 yards, and I'd have to hold a bit high, quite a bit at a hundred.

I'm more than happy with 1500fps. It's no .375 Ruger with TSX bullets, but I'd have no issue pointing it at anything at a reasonable distance. It would certainly dissuade an angry bear.

I just have to adjust the XS sights. Forgot my teeny screwdrivers las t range trip, so I was shooting way low.

However, right now there is a man with a backhoe improving my 100 yard range at my house ,so I think I will be able to just sight in there without a another range trip and risking forgetting the screwdrivers..