IPSC International Production category 9mm: Glock or CZ SP-01 Shadow?

Which pistol for IPSC international production class?

  • Glock 17 with factory extended mag release.

    Votes: 20 16.4%
  • CZ SP-01 Shadow

    Votes: 91 74.6%
  • Other (please specify what and why)

    Votes: 11 9.0%

  • Total voters
    122
Quigley that is a little unfair to the rules committee. The half #### position on a Shadow and the decocked position on the SP-01 Tactical are not the same thing. The half #### position loads the mainspring more than does the decocked position. The result is that all else being equal the half cocked position would give you a lighter and shorter trigger pull than the decocked position.

Take Care

Bob

As long as the DA pull is over 5 pounds, should anyone care?
 
Well I really do like the CZ but my preference goes to the M&P. CZ's truly do barf those trigger springs...
 
There was an exhausting discussion about this topic on IPSC Global Village...

The rationale was...

Quoted from VP "Two OFMs have advised me that lowering a hammer manually to half-#### on a gun without a de-cocking lever is not a safe place for the hammer to rest with a loaded chamber. Moreover, guns with de-cocking levers place the hammer further forward, but they have mechanisms which prevent the hammer striking the firing pin. We'll get this matter clarified once and for all in the next rulebook."

And the wording in the rulebook became...

8.1.2.4 If a handgun has a decocking lever, that alone must be used to decock the handgun, without
touching the trigger. If a handgun does not have a decocking lever, the hammer must be safely and
manually lowered all the way forward (i.e. not just to a “half-#### notch” or to another similar
intermediary position).
 
An arguement could be made that manually lowing the hammer in itself is not safe - if your fingers slip, the round could be touched off, sending the slide into the hand attempting to lower the hammer in the first place...
 
An arguement could be made that manually lowing the hammer in itself is not safe - if your fingers slip, the round could be touched off, sending the slide into the hand attempting to lower the hammer in the first place...

Pays to be careful. I have been decocking my DA/SA guns for years without incident. That said a shooter got DQ'd last year at the PR. Rupert Qualifier for doing just that. He had oil on the hammer and instead of placing his thumb on top of the serrations of the hammer and lowering the hammer he was grabbing the sides of the hammer. Thumb and finger slipped and gun went bang. In his case I know he had been advised on other occasions to change his method of decocking his gun.... he has since changed his method of decocking his gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Pays to be careful. I have been decocking my DA/SA guns for years without incident. That said a shooter got DQ'd last year at the PR. Rupert Qualifier for doing just that. He had oil on the hammer and instead of placing his thumb on top of the serrations of the hammer and lowering the hammer he was grabbing the sides of the hammer. Thumb and finger slipped and gun went bang. In his case I know he had been advised on other occasions to change his method of decocking his gun.... he has since changed his method of decocking his gun.

Take Care

Bob
The most experienced shooter at my club saw me decocking with my thumb on the top of the hammer and suggested that I grab it with my thumb and index finger instead. Is one method generally recommended above the other?
 
I personally think using your thumb on top is better. The only AD I have seen occurred using the finger and thumb on the sides of the hammer. I use my weak hand thumb to gently lower the hammer. Very easy to do but like anything we do around firearms you have to watch and be careful.

Take Care

Bob
 
There was an exhausting discussion about this topic on IPSC Global Village...

The rationale was...

Quoted from VP "Two OFMs have advised me that lowering a hammer manually to half-#### on a gun without a de-cocking lever is not a safe place for the hammer to rest with a loaded chamber. Moreover, guns with de-cocking levers place the hammer further forward, but they have mechanisms which prevent the hammer striking the firing pin. We'll get this matter clarified once and for all in the next rulebook."

And the wording in the rulebook became...

8.1.2.4 If a handgun has a decocking lever, that alone must be used to decock the handgun, without
touching the trigger. If a handgun does not have a decocking lever, the hammer must be safely and
manually lowered all the way forward (i.e. not just to a “half-#### notch” or to another similar
intermediary position).

Makes some sense. I'm still a little leery of messing with hammers period, and having the trigger fully depressed while I do it seems less safe than lowering the hammer to half-#### with my finger off the trigger. I do it as trained with a finger or thumb between hammer and firing pin block. At some point that digit has to leave the scene to let the hammer all the way down.
 
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