Swedish M1867/89 Rolling Block

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This is one of the Trade Ex Remington M1867/89 Swedish Rolling Blocks in 8x58R. I changed out the forend and added a Tang Sight from "Track of the Wolf". I've shot it a few times - brass can be made up from 45/90, or from 45/70 (makes it a bit short), or 8x56R Hungarian (a bit short and a bit undersized at the head). I keep the loads light, for about 1500 fps with a 230gr cast bullet.

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Nice! I've wondered why we don't see a few more people shooting these. Does yours have the pin retainer piece or locking screws?

I've got one the same even have the tang sight but haven't mounted it yet. Still trying to decide if it shoots well enough to keep as is or if I'm going to put a different barrel on. Should be able to reclassify to antique status if rebarreled to .40 or .45.

How does it group for you and what kind of mold have you got? I think mines lighter than yours.
 
Second try - got that frequent "Database Error" and lost it all. It just keeps getting worse... :mad:

Mine has the locking screws.

I haven't shot it since the Tang Sight was installed, but was getting 2-3 MOA beforehand. I shoot a 230gr Plain-Based Custom cast bullet (Mountain Molds). I have a lot of work to do, but 28.0grs of H4198 was a good load and gave 1650 fps. That's what I consider the hottest load I'll use in the gun.
 
Click on the Trade Ex Canada Banner Ad at the top of the page.

Then click the "products" menu.

You should be good to go with that info...

Cheers
Trev
 
I guess you just run the fresh 45 70 and 45 90 brass through your 12.7x44 dies and open them up? I'd have thought the brass would be a bit thin for that.

Are you shooting smokeless, bp, or an alternative?
 
You've got it mixed up.

12.7x44 can be made from 50/70 Government by simply trimming it to length and then sizing. Sometimes you have to reduce its base diameter, but often you don't. My chamber can accomodate it and I even use Lyman 50/70 dies.

8x58R can be made from 45/70 or 45/90. 45/70 comes up a bit short but works. 45/90 is a bit long and must be trimmed. Both require annealing before and after sizing or the necks will collapse and/or split. I use 8x56R Hungarian brass which is a bit short and a bit undersized at the head, but works like a champ.

A search under Reloading will turn up posts I've made in the past on both subjects.

H Wally said:
I guess you just run the fresh 45 70 and 45 90 brass through your 12.7x44 dies and open them up? I'd have thought the brass would be a bit thin for that.

Are you shooting smokeless, bp, or an alternative?
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I've been looking at them on the Tradex site too-I see you have the ''sporter'' model-they are quite a bit cheaper.Most of them are described as having ''dark bores,shootable''.Is this an issue?And-is there any preference for the 8x58r or 12.7 x44?
ps-love the tang sight!
 
Tradex tends to under-rate their bores, but if it says "dark", then it's not an excellent bore. That doesn't mean it wouldn't shoot well, but for me, I insist on an excellent bore for a shooter (if it's a Collector it's not as important).

If I had to choose, I'd go for the 12.7mm. There's something about a 1/2" 500gr bullet leaving the bore that can't be duplicated in anything 8mm. ;) More expensive to shoot (more powder, heavier bullets), but offset by less expensive dies (50/70 Govt), and readily available brass (Starline 50/70). If it's not a Collector, you could consider rechambering to 50/70 and be done with brass trimming.
 
do you use blackpowder/pyrodex and cast bullets in your 12.7 x44?And were the 8x58r heat treated when they were converted?if so-is this any advantage?
 
ratherbefishin said:
do you use blackpowder/pyrodex and cast bullets in your 12.7 x44?And were the 8x58r heat treated when they were converted?if so-is this any advantage?
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All I use is smokeless. You can use published 50/70 Govt loads (the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook has some good ones) keeping the pressure under 20K psi and MV generally to 1200 fps and lower. I posted on this here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166111 I have since tried SR4759 and like it.

Cast bullets only, and Lee makes too good molds.
 
I bought a Husqvarna rolling block ''miniture rifle'' chambered in .22 short from Tradeex,delightful little rifle,and it sort of whetted my appetite to try one of the others.I have a couple of 9.3x57's so that got me into reloading,and I cast my own bullets for my 50 cal TC,so I'm willing to try it
 
I believe that the shotguns have 2 1/2 inch chambers so you would not be advised to shoot modern shells. Also some of the shotgun actions are not nearly as robust as the rifle actions.

The retempered ones would be the way to go for a rebarrelling just for the added piece of mind but I wouldn't hesitate to use the untempered ones as I stick to the Holy Black in rolling blocks anyway. The shotgun actions would be my last choice for conversion but I'm sure the better ones would hold up fine.

I've never seen the miniture rolling blocks on Tradeex's site. Do they still have any? Would be perfect for my 7you son.
 
Any of you thinking about re-barreling one of these rollers to 45-70 should keep in mind that the 8x58's extractor does not need to be modified to fit 45-70 rims, but with the 12.7x44, the extractor will have to be replaced.
 
Extractors are fairly easy to modify or rebuild. Some designs could even be built from scratch with hand tools in an afternoon or two.

It certainly is a bonus that the 8X58 extractor will work with all the cases based on the 45 basic though. There are quite a few old cases with that rim diameter.
 
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