Interchangeable barrels and the Registry???

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I bought a previously unregistered 870 Express with both 28" and 18" barrels. The CFC processed the registration with the longer barrel. When I asked about potential issues relating to interchangeable barrels, CFC tells me I must notify them anytime I swap the barrels. Seesm like an administrative nightmare, moreso than the many other aspects of the registry.

Anyone ever encounter problems relating to interchangeable barrels?
 
No.
IIRC, a change is to be reported if it still exists after 30 days.
I suppose you could get both barrels listed for registration purposes. If you sold a barrel then I suppose you would have to notify them that you no longer had the barrel.
If they told you to notify them every time you swapped barrels, and if you were to do it two or three times a day........
 
I think we should all do this; call the CFC every time you change the barrel on your shotgun, .22, AR, whatever.

Every single time.
 
Silverado said:
I think we should all do this; call the CFC every time you change the barrel on your shotgun, .22, AR, whatever.

Every single time.
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I agree....I think I'll go downstairs and screw a barrel into a 700 action I have on the bench...call them and register it..call tomorrow and swap another barrel on.....who says they have to be headspaced and tourqed in?...
 
Rembo said:
I agree....I think I'll go downstairs and screw a barrel into a 700 action I have on the bench...call them and register it..call tomorrow and swap another barrel on.....who says they have to be headspaced and tourqed in?...
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Who says the barrel actually has to be attached? I think you should change the registration with the intent to change barrel lengths. That way you don't get caught in that grey area of not having an updated registration between actually installing the barrel and calling the CFC.....;)
 
register the gun with the shortest barrel you will use and forget about it .a lady at the firearms centre told me that i had to notify them when i changed barrels on my 870 shotguns and i told her that it takes less than a minute and i would not be notifying them .she got upset about it but did some checking and had to agree with me .you only need to notify if it changes the class of the gun .
 
The info the CFC me was that I could only register the firearm as having one barrel. As the gun is primarily for hunting birds, I listed the longer barrel. I asked specifically about the modular barrels, as I have a compact for the camper or tent in bear country. The CFC stated very clearly that I would have to reregister and verify the firearm anytime I switch barrels. I stumped them when I asked about firearms sold with more than one barrel, and gave them examples like the Mossberg combo and the purchase of additional Thompson Encore barrels.

I also had asked about registering the firearm with the shortest barrel, expecting that anything longer would just be ignored, but was informed that I would be committing an offense by having anything other than the recorded barrel length.

Has anyone been cautioned, ticketed, or tacked to the wall for anything along this line?

Maybe we should cause a bit of chaos by constantly calling in with new verifications due to swapping out barrels. Overbuden the system with an additional administrative nightmare.
 
I re-registered my 10/22 because the new barrel was Less than 470 but still Non-restricted. I have 2 barrels for it, the other is the 18.5 factory one that came with it. When I re-registered it they took down the info that I had multiple barrels. I called back several times until I found someone who knew what to do.

The CFC stated very clearly that I would have to reregister and verify the firearm anytime I switch barrels.
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its already registered and there is No reason to verify it again for a simple barrel swap.

I also had asked about registering the firearm with the shortest barrel, expecting that anything longer would just be ignored, but was informed that I would be committing an offense by having anything other than the recorded barrel length.
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You are not changing the class of the firearm by using a barrel less than 18.5 and keeping the OAL above 26" on a pump. So technically its not on the list for re-registering. But to keep your ass covered its best to have the shortest one registered, since thats the one that will give you the most trouble if you have an over zelous CO or cop.

yes, technically the info on the reg cert would be incorrect. But 99.999999% of the time no one will care if you barrel is longer. But there is a chance that someone could be a #### and hassle you about it. I really doubt that will ever happen.

Your licence says greater than 470mm, anything 470 and above can be put on at any time without having to notify anyone. The only time its an issue is if you switch between less than 470 and greater than 470. In which case I'd still go with less than 470 on the reg cert.


That my opinion based on my experience with the CFC and multiple barrels.
 
You guys are missing out on a sweet deal here. If you have double or more barrels it'll cost you a sheet of printer paper, an envelope and a stamp to send each switch to the CFC. Meanwhile on the other end it'll likely take at least $10 per "Notice of Modification" to process the information.

I say flood them in notices and cause them to spend humungous bucks on this silliness. It'll just hasten the death of the long gun registry.

Oddly enough the registrations I received for my TC Encores are for "receiver only" with no stipulation on barrel length. You'd think that they would hire someone in the registry that knows enough about guns to be able to know which rifles and shotguns come with easily changed barrels and pattern the reg on those the same as for the TC receivers....... er... you're not suggesting that I need to send in a notice each time I mount the barrel that came with it are you?
 
I don't understand the hangup on 870 barrels if the CFC is not concerned with barrel length on the Encores.

RE: verifying
Barrel length seems to be a big issue at CFC. I am just going with the info the CFC gave me, that being that I must call in to verify the new length of the barrel; every time I swap barrels, on a previously registered firearm.

BCRider has a similar idea in overwhelming the CFC with admin. Let's hope that someone in government has the common sense and intestinal fortitude to scrap the 'crime prevention' registry.
 
Oh, and by the way. I know the CFC is quite inconsistent but when I asked about the shortening of my regular to coach gun SxS they could not do it over the phone but said I needed to send in a letter about it. So just a "nuisance" call for each swap won't cut it if they are at least consistent about this aspect. And nothing at all was said to me about getting it verified.
 
"...a lady at the firearms centre told me that..." She's confused. Barrels, for any non-restricted firearm, are not registered nor do they require any permits to buy.
"...cause them to spend humungous bucks..." They do that now. Why help them waste more of our tax money?
 
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...cause them to spend humungous bucks..." They do that now. Why help them waste more of our tax money?
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Exactly. it causes them no grief, they just ask for more budget and more employees to handle the backlog. WE pay for it.
 
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This is issued by the RCMP for every new certificate issued and at least to me, this is crystal clear as to what needs to be reported to CFC.

Nowhere does it say that you must report the change of length of a barrel unless the classification (non-restricted, restricted or prohibited) of the firearm is changed as a result.

So, to me, anyone who comes up with additional requirements is making its own rules and regulations on the fly.

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This is issued by the RCMP for every new certificate issued and at least to me, this is crystal clear as to what needs to be reported to CFC.

Nowhere does it say that you must report the change of length of a barrel unless the classification (non-restricted, restricted or prohibited) of the firearm is changed as a result.

So, to me, anyone who comes up with additional requirements is making its own rules and regulations on the fly.

Duke1
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Well said.
 
In my case despite the assurance that it had not changed classification due to my mod they still said a notice was required. Yep, they really have no idea and just make this stuff up as they go along.

I once asked during a call to complete the transfer of a restricted if I could ask for the short term ATT at the same time so I could go pick it up and bring it home at the same time as the transfer notice came in. I was told "No, you need to have the notice of transfer before you can ask for that". Yet a recent transfer notice came to me bundled with the ST-ATT to go pick it up from the seller's address without me asking for it. A nice touch that was appreciated but totally inconsistent with the previous answer.

Oh well, at least all the folks I've talked to at the CFC were all pleasant.... SO FAR! :D
 
duke1 said:
This is issued by the RCMP for every new certificate issued and at least to me, this is crystal clear as to what needs to be reported to CFC.

Nowhere does it say that you must report the change of length of a barrel unless the classification (non-restricted, restricted or prohibited) of the firearm is changed as a result.
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Putting on a factory barrel shorter than 470mm when the gun is registered for a longer barrel doesn't change the classification but does cause the gun to be different than the registration certificate. This doesn't trouble me as I put on the 14" barrel on my 870 even though it is registered over 470mm.

What is interesting about that notice is the need to inform the CFC when there is a modification to "gauge." Perhaps at the next big skeet shoot the CFC should be called each time a competitor changes his subgauge tubes. "Hi there, finished the 20 gauge event and put the 28 tubes in so change the registration on my gun. Call you back when it's time to shoot .410. When I go home I'll have the 12 gauge barrel on so I'll call you then too." :D
 
Do they really keep a record of how the the actual barrel was when the FA was registered? All of mine say "470mm or greater" and I have SGs that were not verified when the were registered, so how do the know if it had a 20" barrel or a 30" barrel at that time?

How many SGs out there have been shortened slightly over the years - or rifles for that matter. Are all the people that do this outside the law now?

Doubtful. Typical public servant. Ask for it in writing...
 
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