So I got some new jewelry for the Colt and think I may have made it full auto

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*Full Disclaimer - I really don't know **** from **** when it comes to 1911's, but I sure learned this afternoon. Some of my terminology might be a little off when describing parts, so bear with me*

So I ordered a new Night Hawk trigger and Ed Brown hammer for my Colt Combat Commander here a few weeks ago from Brownells, since they are one of the few places that seem to like to deal with us Canuckians.

Anyways, I took the little bastard apart this afternoon to put the parts in and it all seemed so simple coming apart. So, I get everything out, and I'm looking at my shiny new parts wondering how in the f**k I put this thing back together.

So, I just kind of start on it, not really sure what came from where, but eventually I got it all and at the minimum, it did at least look like it was right, except I have one metal "plate" that came out on disassembley, but I had no idea where this f**king thing went back in.

Anyways, when I got it back together, pretty well nothing was working, I could squeeze the trigger and the hammer wouldn't fall right away, then other times it would.

What was interesting is that I could not get the hammer to stay fully cocked, every time I racked the slide the hammer would fall right away, and that got me thinking. If the hammer keeps falling when the slide moves forward after recoil, say I was shooting it, that would pretty well be a full auto "conversion", would it not????

I messed up and failed to take a picture of this "plate" I'm talking about, but I'll show you this picture and try to explain where it went.

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So, if you looking at the gun from the rear, you have those 2 pieces that go inside the frame and then a pin holds them in. This "plate" went on the right hand side of the frame to fill an indentation in (kind of just above the yellow arrow I put in there). When I installed everything without this plate, the fitment of these 2 parts was very sloppy, but when I figured out what needed to happen, it tightened everything right up and the gun now works great.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
USP said:
put it all in a bag and send it to armco maybe?
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No, once I got this little plate back in it, everything works beautiful. I only experienced the issue the first time I put it together, without the plate.

Really the only reason I ask is because this "plate" I'm talking about doesn't look like a factory part at all. It looks handmade, but well done-handmade if that makes any sense.

I'm wondering if this "plate" is supposed to be there in the first place or if it is a replacement for a factory part.
 
targettarget said:
No, once I got this little plate back in it, everything works beautiful. I only experienced the issue the first time I put it together, without the plate.

Really the only reason I ask is because this "plate" I'm talking about doesn't look like a factory part at all. It looks handmade, but well done-handmade if that makes any sense.

I'm wondering if this "plate" is supposed to be there in the first place or if it is a replacement for a factory part.
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The plate is there to fill in the gap Colt made in the frame when they added the series 80 firing pin safety. Your gun was shipped with two levers in the frame that cam upwards when the trigger is pulled, driving a spring loaded piston out of the way of the firing pin.

The plate replaces the levers.
 
Canuck223 said:
The plate is there to fill in the gap Colt made in the frame when they added the series 80 firing pin safety. Your gun was shipped with two levers in the frame that cam upwards when the trigger is pulled, driving a spring loaded piston out of the way of the firing pin.

The plate replaces the levers.
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If I'm not mistaken, it is part #52 in this diagram, the "trigger bar lever". It's a little flat piece of steel that sits to the right of #5 - the "disconnecter" and #64 - the hook looking piece.

Are we talking about the same thing?
 
targettarget said:
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If I'm not mistaken, it is part #52 in this diagram, the "trigger bar lever". It's a little flat piece of steel that sits to the right of #5 - the "disconnecter" and #64 - the hook looking piece.

Are we talking about the same thing?
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If the part you say looked rough had two holes in it, it's the spacer plate installed when the trigger bar lever is removed.

Do you still have the plunger in your slide? (part 10) If you have a hole in the bottom of the slide, than the series 80 parts have been replaced.
 
Canuck223 said:
If the part you say looked rough had two holes in it, it's the spacer plate installed when the trigger bar lever is removed.

Do you still have the plunger in your slide? (part 10) If you have a hole in the bottom of the slide, than the series 80 parts have been replaced.
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Yes, it does look rough and had 2 holes in it. I can't remember noticing or not in regards to the hole, but I do remember the gentlemen who sold me the gun said something about "replacing the series 80 parts".

Well, I'm glad that's solved. I have no doubt that if I were to have taken that gun to the range without that spacer that it would have gone off full-auto.

Thanks for your help. :)
 
targettarget said:
Thanks new guy.

FYI - it's a legitimate safety concern.
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Yes, going to jail is a safety concern.

It would be great to discuss this freely, but the friendly folks in Ottawa have made what you did a component of several offences. If you can't recognize the danger in posting about it publicly, then I don't know what to say to you.
 
eigenvector said:
Yes, going to jail is a safety concern.

It would be great to discuss this freely, but the friendly folks in Ottawa have made what you did a component of several offences. If you can't recognize the danger in posting about it publicly, then I don't know what to say to you.
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Thanks, but I don't think I'm going to go to jail for incorrectly installing parts on a 1911.

Tin-foil-hat-much?
 
targettarget said:
Thanks, but I don't think I'm going to go to jail for incorrectly installing parts on a 1911.

Tin-foil-hat-much?
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Firearms owners being targeted by the police is very much a reality. Do you browse the Politics section? There is no specific intent required by CC s. 102 (assembling an automatic firearm) so the fact that you did it by accident is of no consequence. If you think that there aren't cops and Crown attorneys who would nail you to the wall for this you are sadly mistaken.
 
eigenvector said:
Firearms owners being targeted by the police is very much a reality. Do you browse the Politics section? There is no specific intent required by CC s. 102 (assembling an automatic firearm) so the fact that you did it by accident is of no consequence. If you think that there aren't cops and Crown attorneys who would nail you to the wall for this you are sadly mistaken.
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Frankie says relax.
 
LMFAS ... The guy's not modifying parts to make it full auto, he made a mistake and wanted help resolving it. Go back into your basement, put on your tin hat and ensure your dooms day kit is in order.

Quit being so paranoid. Some people need to quit thinking that everyone is out to get them. In fact wait a minute, maybe we're all out to get you.... oh no, the boogy man is coming and he's going to take away all your sh*t. the end of the world is here, quick put on you standard issue track suit and prepare for transport.
 
Go to u tube and there will be a video telling you everything you need to know and then some, I found that out when I took my ruger model 3 apart, and was a little concerned when the manual said said I needed a hammer to put it back together...great place that you tube, can keep you busy for hours.
 
After you get all together ( you hope) you MUST check all the safety's
Hammer movement when safty on, grip safety, hammer drop etc, etc
long before you go to range.
 
eigenvector said:
Firearms owners being targeted by the police is very much a reality. Do you browse the Politics section? There is no specific intent required by CC s. 102 (assembling an automatic firearm) so the fact that you did it by accident is of no consequence. If you think that there aren't cops and Crown attorneys who would nail you to the wall for this you are sadly mistaken.
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Where in the f**k did you go to law school? Where is his criminal intent?

Can we just let this guy ask his s**t without all the comedians and a**holes making snarky comments. Targettarget, try the gunsmithing section, they might be a little bit more help and you might avoid some of this crap.
 
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