Storing Non-Restricted/Restricted

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So restricted has to have a trigger lock + in a container than is not easily accessible (locked) if i'm correct? and ammo needs to be in a separate container that is locked?

And non-restricted doesnt matter? i can lay it on the couch with the bullets right beside?

Don't worry i'm not doing this yet... if i'm wrong. Big delay from when i took the course till i got my license.

Thanks
 
I have a Weiser lock on my closet (no windows). Non-Restricted stored in there (no trigger lock) along with ammo just sitting on the shelf.

Now, my memory has faded too from the course and I'm still trying to figure out proper storage rules for weeks now.

Unfortuantely, the way I'm storing sounds illegal. :-( Correct me if I am wrong, please!

Provided what I am doing is wrong, trigger locking my non-restricteds and ammo sitting on the shelf is okay, correct?
 
john777 said:
I have a Weiser lock on my closet (no windows). Non-Restricted stored in there (no trigger lock) along with ammo just sitting on the shelf.

Now, my memory has faded too from the course and I'm still trying to figure out proper storage rules for weeks now.

Unfortuantely, the way I'm storing sounds illegal. :-( Correct me if I am wrong, please!

Provided what I am doing is wrong, trigger locking my non-restricteds and ammo sitting on the shelf is okay, correct?
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You're likely on the wrong side of the line. If you can satisfy the CFO that your closet meets the "Hard to break into" test, you are fine as is, but I can just about guarantee you that a web-educated kid can be through your weiser deadbolt in less than 30 seconds. They are just not high security hardware. You also must ensure that your hinges are either not exposed, or security models that use a concealed set screw to prevent the pin from being removed. Otherwise they can be popped with a butter knife.

I would put a double lock on your closet, with at least one of them being a quality deadbolt (i.e. commerical schlage, medeco, american lock, etc), and inspect your hinges.
 
+1 to the above, you *should* be fine, but it's a fine line.

Think about this: if you were gone for the weekend and your (hypotetical) 16yrs old son is home with a bunch of friends, do YOU think they could (after some beers) get access to your firearm and start shooting around?

If they could, then maybe you should revise your storage. I think we have a duty to be safe, and go above and beyond the law. Remember the shooting in Germany some months ago? Kid took his father's Beretta; handgun was improperly stored, a bunch of kids died and the father was prosecuted. Not good in my book.

If I was in your situation, I'd put a trigger lock on your non-res and store the ammo in another closet. That's what I do with mine.

All the best!
 
Best bet is to just pickup a cheap safe, you could even put that into your closet if you like.

I keep my guns in my safe along with a clip sitting next to it just encase it's ever needed. Would hate to have a firearm in a life or death situation and the ammo be in another room or locked location.

If I'm going for a weekend without my firearms my guns have a trigger lock on them.
Best to be extra safe with your firearms.
 
Yeah, looks like I need to get another safe because I want keypad access.

I'll 'legalise' my closet tomorrow with regular safe so that ammo can be locked up.
 
to correct a few things here,
the wording is not "hard to break into", its "not easily broken to", from chatting with the people at the CFC, they discussed "the use of force and or tools"
so if you can pull the cabinet open when its locked or kick it in, its not safe storage. If someone had to use tools+force to get in then your ok...
It does not mean that it has to be theft proof, as nothing is.

if you could argue in court that you fortified your closet by ___ means, and used ____ type of lock, then it should be safe storage.

as far as ammo goes, it doesnt not have to be locked up. however some people do anyways but it is not required
 
Non-Restricted

Storage
1. In locked container
2. In locked room specially modified to store firearms
3. Bolt must be removed
4. Trigger or Action lock must be on

Display
1. Trigger Lock
2. Cannot be displayed with ammunition present

Transport
1. Unloaded
2. Out of sight with vehicle locked



Restricted

Storage
1. Vault or Safe
2. Locked room specially modified for the storage of firearms
3. Trigger lock

Display
1. Attached to immovable object (Wall would be a solid example)
2. The guns ammo cannot be displayed

Transport
1. Locked, opaque container
2. Documents (RPAL, Registration, ATT)
3. Only can take it to approved range or gun club, approved gun smith, approved gun show, or a point of entry (border, airport), and must do so using the most reasonable direct route.




***All of these are the minimum rules, and if an enforcement officer decides to check you out and can, for example, have reasonable belief that he can break into you're secure room, you will get in trouble. No point in not going well beyond because when it comes down to it, the more you do to protect and secure your firearms, the safer everyone will be.***
 
Non-Restricted

Storage
1. In locked container
2. In locked room specially modified to store firearms
3. Bolt must be removed
4. Trigger or Action lock must be on
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Wrong. If it's unloaded and in a gun safe, it does NOT need a trigger lock, nor does the room need to locked.

Paul
 
Non-Restricted

Storage
1. In locked container
2. In locked room specially modified to store firearms
3. Bolt must be removed
4. Trigger or Action lock must be on


Ummmmm, I think for Non Restricted you could just end it at #1. Those other 3 are just overkill. Not that it's not safer and I'm sure the Police would appreciate that, but let's not voluntarily make things stricter for us.
 
ope sorry for the confusion. I shoulda clarified that.
It can be in a locked container, OR in a locked room specifically modified to store firearms (in essence, a large container)
And I thought trigger lock was necessary, but I may be wrong. Either way, it wouldn't hurt.

Edit: Just more clarification.

Same idea with the restricted storage, but I believe that you must have a trigger lock even if it's in a container.
 
Depending on the container you're talking about. If it's a safe restricted do not need a trigger lock on it.


As posted before on the first page.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm


Restricted and prohibited firearms

* Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
* Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
* For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
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Okay... After weeks and weeks of researching. This is what I'm going to do.

First, I'm thinking about doing the bare minimum, but I don't even know what a the bear minium really means since there is nothing officially written about it.

This is what I am doing and will be doing in the future once I have restricteds.

Small walk in closet modified for firearms storage using Weiser lock with keypad access. That should satisfy hard to break into. It would require tools and force. Hinges are on the outside of the door, so kinda useless, but still would require a screwdriver and hammer (maybe a chisel b/c lots of oil paint on hinges). Anyway... that sucks...

Non-restricted will be hung up on wall inside closet with no trigger locks. Why would I not go extra step and trigger lock them? I like to look at my non-restricteds without trigger locks.

Ammo are all locked up in safe.

Restricted will be locked up in safe /w no trigger locks. Ammo will also be stored with them.

I should meet the laws for safe storage.

If I had it my way, I would be hanging both non and restricted on the wall with no trigger locks and ammo stored right on the shelf because I think it meets the basic requirements of a room modified specifically to store firearms, but that is just my opinion. I will probably get my a$$ destroyed if something bad did happen.

Maybe my closet is not considered secured enough. But since the ammo and restricted is stored in a fire proof safe, I should be cool. Even if the hinges are on the inside of the closet, then there's the dry wall issue (ceiling too for hardcare robbers). Two nice kicks should gain access inside, but that is 'force'. Oh well...
 
I don't know exactly what "room specifically designed" means, but I wouldn't bet on your closet being one. It is just that, a locked container. I'm an engineer and "designed" reminds me of a plethora of analysis/studies by professional/certified people in my book.

Make *sure* your safe manual/brochure/whatever states it is a safe and not just a cabinet (as are most from CT/Costco).

Kudos for locking the ammo up ;)

All the best!
 
The safety course video just shows a guy storing long rifles in his closet with a lock on the door (standard or master lock, I don't remember). If I cared to review the video again, I'm sure the door swings outwards, meaning hinges are on the outside too! I believe he placed the ammo in a locked container.

The safe I currently have is rated fire proof for 1 hour.

Costco is selling a Sentry Safe and load and behold, it's the same brand I have from ~20 years ago. LOL!

1.2cu.ft. for $230, keypad access. Looks good to me and is fire proof for 1 hour.

I need another safe to store restricted... Code access is a nifty feature if I need quick access to safe if need be.
 
Hey john777, the keypad access sounds pretty good, but it doesnt matter what you or I think. Imagine if an enforcement officer came to check it out. If you believe that a run of the mill would think it's safe, then that's fine.
 
I phoned the NS CFO a while back and asked what a gun room is and what is not easily broken into, they said a lock on the door is fine for residential, for business they have actual specs. Take it for what it is, the way I see things is no matter what you do for storage your ass will still be in court and you will still be defending yourself no matter what.
 
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