If you can't hit dog poop at 10' with a NIB Norinco then I respectfully suggest spending $4,000 on a custom Wilson Combat won't either. I am surprised the target didn't catch fire at that range.
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Bob
How much of a step up is it going from a Norc 1911 Police Model to an STI Spartan?
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If you can't hit dog poop at 10' with a NIB Norinco then I respectfully suggest spending $4,000 on a custom Wilson Combat won't either. I am surprised the target didn't catch fire at that range.
Take Care
Bob
Yup, most times it ain't the equipment but the operator.
I've got higher end 1911's but I also have a couple of Norcs including the new 1911A1 model. Nothing wrong with them for the money.
Nothing wrong with a Spartan for the money either, though.
My .02............
NAA.
I've got higher end 1911's but I also have a couple of Norcs including the new 1911A1 model. Nothing wrong with them for the money.
Nothing wrong with a Spartan for the money either, though.
My .02............
NAA.
If you can't hit dog poop at 10' with a NIB Norinco then I respectfully suggest spending $4,000 on a custom Wilson Combat won't either. I am surprised the target didn't catch fire at that range.
Take Care
Bob
+1
I have a NP-30 all I have done to it so far is to add a cheap full length guide rod and do my 10 cent barrel bushing fix. Getting about 4" at 20 m I think when I tune the trigger and add some better sights it should do better. I friend has a Norinco commander that he has done some work to. Not more then about $150 in parts and his time. It shoots almost as good as his Colt Gold Cup.
I got a Gunnar-tuned Norc 1911A1 a few months back. It works flawlessly (400 rounds so far, no issues whatsoever), shoots straighter than I can, and really doesn't look half bad. If it keeps up like this, my next 1911 is going to be a Gunnar-tuned Norc Commander.
If you can't hit dog poop at 10' with a NIB Norinco then I respectfully suggest spending $4,000 on a custom Wilson Combat won't either. I am surprised the target didn't catch fire at that range.
Take Care
Bob
Funny how the guys that own Norinco handguns are the ones saying they are great. I have owned one, so i'm not talking out my ass here. It may have well been my sights they were screwed, who knows. I shoot standard IPSC, and production.
I have no problem with groups, and I don't own a $4,000 handgun.
Well I didn't say they were the be all and all but I sure didn't say I couldn't hit anyting at 10' either. The guns may not be to your liking but at 10'. At that range your gun is almost hitting the target.
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Bob
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Bob
Clearly I was over exaggerating the range at which I was shooting at. For someone to compare a Nork to fine firearm makers such as STI, Kimber, S&W, Springer, ect.. is just comedy. That's like the people who say their Nork M14's shoot just as good or better then the Springer M14's at 300 + yards.
I was being a little hostile when I called the Norks peices of ####, they arn't I have seen and used worse. Nothing wrong with owning and shooting them, in fact I think it's great they are in this country. Look how many new handgun shooters own them because of the price.
All I was saying is their is much better out there, and for someone to compare a Nork to a (any 1911 maker here) is well...
I was being a little hostile when I called the Norks peices of ####, they arn't I have seen and used worse. Nothing wrong with owning and shooting them, in fact I think it's great they are in this country. Look how many new handgun shooters own them because of the price.
All I was saying is their is much better out there, and for someone to compare a Nork to a (any 1911 maker here) is well...
Of course you are right. Although frankly I don't see anything wrong with comparing a Norinco Police Model with any of the following:
Springfield GI Made in Brazil
Colt GI Made in the US
STI Sparan Made in the Phillipines
Of the above three the STI Spartan has better sights. None have the quality of the steel frames and slide that come with the Norinco. The Norc are all forged parts as well which none of the others can claim. From a price vs value comparison none are 2.5 times better than the Norinco. I would buy any one of the three mentioned for $350 - $500 but they don't sell in that price range.
Incidently my Dlask/Norinco outshot my Para SSP by a wide margin. The work Dlask did on the gun brought my all in price for the gun to a shade over $900. I suspect that is about what any of the above three guns sell for and none of them have the mechanical accuracy of my Norinco, that is a fact.
For somebody just getting into shooting on a limited budget and wants a 1911then the guns represent solid value. Over time a 'smith can turn it into a full custom gun.
Take Care
Bob
Springfield GI Made in Brazil
Colt GI Made in the US
STI Sparan Made in the Phillipines
Of the above three the STI Spartan has better sights. None have the quality of the steel frames and slide that come with the Norinco. The Norc are all forged parts as well which none of the others can claim. From a price vs value comparison none are 2.5 times better than the Norinco. I would buy any one of the three mentioned for $350 - $500 but they don't sell in that price range.
Incidently my Dlask/Norinco outshot my Para SSP by a wide margin. The work Dlask did on the gun brought my all in price for the gun to a shade over $900. I suspect that is about what any of the above three guns sell for and none of them have the mechanical accuracy of my Norinco, that is a fact.
For somebody just getting into shooting on a limited budget and wants a 1911then the guns represent solid value. Over time a 'smith can turn it into a full custom gun.
Take Care
Bob
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Well, maybe yours wasn't accuratte, maybe you can't shoot, I have no way of knowing, don't much care. If mine shot that bad, I'd get rid of it too. However, I can pretty regularily hit the chicken silhouette targets at 50 yards, and that's good enough for me.
I'm not a real pistol guy, I just wanted to have a couple in case it gets tougher to aquire them. I'm happy so far.
CanuckShooter
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I didn't start to this thread to get involved in a 'Norinco is crappy' discussion. The only Norincos I have shot were a Police Model 1911 and an M14. Both were deadly accurate, and were bone stock. Nothing but good things to say about either in terms of function, reliability, and accuracy.
Let me make one thing clear, which I should have said earlier. I honestly WANT to keep the Norc. It is cheaper, uses better steel, and is damn accurate. My dad's Armco tuned Norc functions flawlessly. I also hate how the Spartan has to be disassembled.
Maybe it will help if I state the reasons I am considering getting rid my Norc. I would greatly appreciate the advice of some of the Norc owners here on the following.
1. The breech face is marked up and has a silver crescent from the barrel hood contacting it. There are some scratches in the same area. Either the finish of the breech face is wearing away revealing the bare metal (causing the crescent), or some of the chrome has rubbed off the barrel hood onto the breech face (causing the crescent). Is this normal? To have the barrel hood contacting the breech face and marking/scratching it up? Please note that I have NEVER dropped the slide on an empty chamber. I am meticulous with my guns....they are severely babied.
2. The frame to slide fit is loose. If I grab the frame with two hands, with the muzzle pointing either right or left and shake the gun back and forth the slide rattles. Also, when I grip the pistol as if shooting it, grab the front end of the slide with my free hand, and wiggle it side to side there is a lot of play. So much play, that just from cycling the slide a few times, the dust cover is causing a scratch on the slide that goes all the way to the muzzle. I will post pic of this when I get home tonight.
3. When the grip safety is depressed, the edges of the frame jut out on each side, which makes the web of my palm sore. If there is a way to adjust the grip safety so that it will only depress a certain amount then this problem can be fixed.
So, these are the three reasons I am considering returning, or exchanging my Norc. If you guys could help me out, and share your knowledge, again, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not looking for answer like "Wouldn't bother me", or "guns are made to shoot, not to stare at". That really doesn't help. I am looking for info from people with a good deal of knowledge and experience with 1911s to tell me whether these things are worth exchanging the gun for, and why... ie. "Scratches and marks on the breech face can lead to [insert problem here], and is a no no. You should really exchange it to save yourself a headache later on".
Norc haters, please move onto another thread. Your breath is wasted here.
Thank!
Let me make one thing clear, which I should have said earlier. I honestly WANT to keep the Norc. It is cheaper, uses better steel, and is damn accurate. My dad's Armco tuned Norc functions flawlessly. I also hate how the Spartan has to be disassembled.
Maybe it will help if I state the reasons I am considering getting rid my Norc. I would greatly appreciate the advice of some of the Norc owners here on the following.
1. The breech face is marked up and has a silver crescent from the barrel hood contacting it. There are some scratches in the same area. Either the finish of the breech face is wearing away revealing the bare metal (causing the crescent), or some of the chrome has rubbed off the barrel hood onto the breech face (causing the crescent). Is this normal? To have the barrel hood contacting the breech face and marking/scratching it up? Please note that I have NEVER dropped the slide on an empty chamber. I am meticulous with my guns....they are severely babied.
2. The frame to slide fit is loose. If I grab the frame with two hands, with the muzzle pointing either right or left and shake the gun back and forth the slide rattles. Also, when I grip the pistol as if shooting it, grab the front end of the slide with my free hand, and wiggle it side to side there is a lot of play. So much play, that just from cycling the slide a few times, the dust cover is causing a scratch on the slide that goes all the way to the muzzle. I will post pic of this when I get home tonight.
3. When the grip safety is depressed, the edges of the frame jut out on each side, which makes the web of my palm sore. If there is a way to adjust the grip safety so that it will only depress a certain amount then this problem can be fixed.
So, these are the three reasons I am considering returning, or exchanging my Norc. If you guys could help me out, and share your knowledge, again, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not looking for answer like "Wouldn't bother me", or "guns are made to shoot, not to stare at". That really doesn't help. I am looking for info from people with a good deal of knowledge and experience with 1911s to tell me whether these things are worth exchanging the gun for, and why... ie. "Scratches and marks on the breech face can lead to [insert problem here], and is a no no. You should really exchange it to save yourself a headache later on".
Norc haters, please move onto another thread. Your breath is wasted here.
Thank!
Hi
1. My Para did the same thing. Have a 'smith look at it when he tightenns your frame to slide fit and replaces the barrel bushing.
2. Any 'smith should be able to tighten the slide to frame fit for not a lot of money. In a combat gun a certain amount of loosness in the 1911 design is not a bad thing. The scratch you see is quite normal. It happened on my Para and my ST Trojan in 9MM as well.
3. A' smith should be able to correct that ir you could have a new beavertail fitted,.
Wear and scratches on a piece tells me the gun is being shot. My 1911's and my tanfoglio show the results of many holster draws. The wearing doesn't effect how the gun shoots and tells the world they aren't safe queens.
Good luck with your decision. For about $500 you should be able to turn that gun into a fully custom gun capable of shooting with the best 1911's out there.
Hope some of this helps.
Take Care
Bob
1. My Para did the same thing. Have a 'smith look at it when he tightenns your frame to slide fit and replaces the barrel bushing.
2. Any 'smith should be able to tighten the slide to frame fit for not a lot of money. In a combat gun a certain amount of loosness in the 1911 design is not a bad thing. The scratch you see is quite normal. It happened on my Para and my ST Trojan in 9MM as well.
3. A' smith should be able to correct that ir you could have a new beavertail fitted,.
Wear and scratches on a piece tells me the gun is being shot. My 1911's and my tanfoglio show the results of many holster draws. The wearing doesn't effect how the gun shoots and tells the world they aren't safe queens.
Good luck with your decision. For about $500 you should be able to turn that gun into a fully custom gun capable of shooting with the best 1911's out there.
Hope some of this helps.
Take Care
Bob
I just stopped by my local gunshop today, and ran into an old buddy, who was buying TWO of the enhanced Norinco .45 Govt models, to start his kids out in practical pistol. I checked out some of the .45 Norinco Govt models in the case, and was amazed at how much pistol you can get these days for CANUCK $ 399.
If you are just starting out, the enhanced model Norc Govt gives you a LOT of value for your money. And once you shoot enough to know exactly what you want, the Norc could be a good foundation to start building a decent pistol on a budget.
If you are just starting out, the enhanced model Norc Govt gives you a LOT of value for your money. And once you shoot enough to know exactly what you want, the Norc could be a good foundation to start building a decent pistol on a budget.
Mine has the same scratches on the slide - I'm hoping Gunnar can address it somewhat when I finally get around to having him tune it, although I don't think my slide-to-frame fit is anywhere near as loose as yours. I'll have to look at the breech face, as I haven't noticed any odd marking there. Nor have I noticed an protrusion around the grip safety.
I'll get back to you...
7m7
I'll get back to you...
7m7
