Action shooting games with .22lr???

The ROC, there's a simple way around this. Work with your club to host your OWN event.

Locally one or two of the guys in my club took it upon theirselves to organize and schedule a Speed Steel shooting event. It's simple, doesn't take much time to set up if you have some steel targets available and is hellacioius fun and low in voluteer duties. Just a timer and one of the other shooters willing to run it for the RO when it's HIS turn to shoot.

Here's how it's set up and scored....

  • There's 5 targets, four or less white and one black. The 1,2 or 4 white targets are shot first and the black target last to finish the string.
  • If there's less than 4 whites then shots are split between them to total four hits. So one target would get all 4 shots, 2 would get two each, then it jumps to 4 to avoid confusing folks :D.
  • If the black is hit before the 4 whites then penalty times are added to the time as "failure to engage" penalties.
  • The idea is to keep shooting at the whites until you manage to hear 4 DING!'s Only then do you switch to hit the black.
  • Targets are set out at ranges from 10 to 50 yards to best provide an interesting layout that tests the shooter's skill but isn't stupidly hard. Generally distant targets are larger, like 2x3 feet plates while closer targets are made from 10 inch round discs. Barricades and other obstables that encourage kneeling or shooting around or through objects add to the fun.
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That sounds like a ton of fun!
 
Sorry but you are wrong. We use steel targets designed for .22lr all the time. The OP was asking for ways he could shoot a form of Action Pistol with .22lr pistols. Frankly shooting steel targets it is great fun and challenging too.

Take Care

Bob

Umm...no I'm not. But feel free to setup and bunch of your rimfire steel and I'll fly out to BC and blast away at it with my Open gun...

I answered John (not the OP) John's pont is not rimfire only matches (although I'm sure that's where the conversation is headed) but allowing .22 at an IPSC match (mixed in with the centre fire calibers)

So...Pistol matches with no steel (yippee)...rifle matches with nother over 100 yards (yahoo)...oh...and no gongs...

I must admit...I have no idea how shotgun will be watered down...I'm completely stumped...maybe potato guns :confused:
 
Feel free to work with clubs to get 22 action style sports running in Ontario...but it won't be IPSC...period.

Speed, Power and Accuracy...in case you forgot...

A .22Lr will actually make a hole in something. If IPSC can include airsoft why not .22Lr?

We already have 3 power factors in pistol. If power is a big deal why is open 160 and not 170 like standard?
 
A .22Lr will actually make a hole in something. If IPSC can include airsoft why not .22Lr?

We already have 3 power factors in pistol. If power is a big deal why is open 160 and not 170 like standard?

Open Division uses lighter bullets...hense the lower power factor. The pressures are already high enough...

...and IPSC Airsoft...are you telling me you actually agree with this :rolleyes:

Do a little more research...I'm sure you'll figure out why that happened
 
Umm...no I'm not. But feel free to setup and bunch of your rimfire steel and I'll fly out to BC and blast away at it with my Open gun...

I answered John (not the OP) John's pont is not rimfire only matches (although I'm sure that's where the conversation is headed) but allowing .22 at an IPSC match (mixed in with the centre fire calibers)

So...Pistol matches with no steel (yippee)...rifle matches with nother over 100 yards (yahoo)...oh...and no gongs...

I must admit...I have no idea how shotgun will be watered down...I'm completely stumped...maybe potato guns :confused:

No No No I am not saying mixed matches. I am talking about rim fire only rifle matches. The only mixed match I mentioned is I could see maybe letting kids say 12 and under shoot pistol matches with a .22LR. for no score or a class of there own.
 
Umm...no I'm not. But feel free to setup and bunch of your rimfire steel and I'll fly out to BC and blast away at it with my Open gun...

No you won't. When we shoot .22lr we shoot .22lr and your Open gun would not be allowed. We shoot our .22 matches in the winter using the IDPA rule book, No room for your Open gun sorry. You stated the .22LR wont knock over steel which is wrong as most who read this thread know.

I answered John (not the OP) John's pont is not rimfire only matches (although I'm sure that's where the conversation is headed) but allowing .22 at an IPSC match (mixed in with the centre fire calibers)

Frankly, if a group of IPSC shooters wanted to shoot a match with .22lr pistols using IPSC stages and rules I have no idea why you would discourage them. Might be fun. I may try it our next IPSC club match. With a .22 top on my Shadow I might be able to run with the Open gun Crowd;)


So...Pistol matches with no steel (yippee)...rifle matches with nother over 100 yards (yahoo)...oh...and no gongs...

????

I must admit...I have no idea how shotgun will be watered down...I'm completely stumped...maybe potato guns :confused:

Not sure why you posed the question. Not sure I ever mentioned rifles or shotguns in any of my posts.

Take Care

Bob
 
I reread your email...you requsted consideration for a seperate "Category" No mention of seperate matches...not that it would make the idea any more appealing (maybe more appauling :cool:)

To be perfectly blunt...it's not the first time it's come up...very few members are interested....the Board isn't interested...and the NEC (although discussion have always been informal) isn't biting.

In any event...it will get it's 5 minutes at the NEC (as promised)

Craig

No No No I am not saying mixed matches. I am talking about rim fire only rifle matches. The only mixed match I mentioned is I could see maybe letting kids say 12 and under shoot pistol matches with a .22LR. for no score or a class of there own.
 
Not sure why you posed the question. Not sure I ever mentioned rifles or shotguns in any of my posts.

Take Care

Bob


I am specifcally answering Johns post...not yours. You decided to include yourself (as is your right) so I responded. There are two seperate flavours in this thread...
 
I am specifcally answering Johns post...not yours. You decided to include yourself (as is your right) so I responded. There are two seperate flavours in this thread...

You might want to reread your post @22. You quoted me then posted. I assume you were directing your comments to my comments contained in the quote.

Best we stick with the OP original post.

Take Care

Bob
 
And where did you get that idea from?

If clubs wish to have matchs featuring the use of 22 pistols using the format of IDPA they are free to do so. They aren't IDPA events and certainly not "Sanctioned" but they are a hell of a lot of fun and in the winter are great diversions pending the return of warm weather.

Take Care,

Bob

It was just a question brought upon by the below post that you were shooting IDPA...


We shoot IDPA in the winter outside using our .22 pistols here in Terrace. Lots of fun. We don't have to chase brass in the snow.

Take Care

Bob
 
TangoSixNiner, it IS a ton of fun and there's not a lot of standing around either. And because the targets don't fall over there's no resetting. Going through all 6 strings in one go makes for doing a lot of shooting too.

I may not have mentioned it but when totalling the scores they toss out the worst of the six strings and add the best five. That's your time for the stage. Then the stages are all added and that's your best time. Lowest wins of course. So consistency definetly counts for something.

The next event is coming up this weekend. I'm all a'giggle in anticipation.... :D
 
I reread your email...you requsted consideration for a seperate "Category" No mention of seperate matches...not that it would make the idea any more appealing (maybe more appauling :cool:)

To be perfectly blunt...it's not the first time it's come up...very few members are interested....the Board isn't interested...and the NEC (although discussion have always been informal) isn't biting.

In any event...it will get it's 5 minutes at the NEC (as promised)

Craig

Sorry that was not my intent. Of the board members that are not interested how may shoot rifle?
Obviously IPSC can not be everything to everyone. But do we want to end up like the DPA's where every time someone didn't like some rule they started there own group? USPSA did not support multi gun at first and look what happened. I bet if you went back to the 70's and talked about adding the guns we now see in open that idea would not have had a very warm reception.
 
Sorry that was not my intent. Of the board members that are not interested how may shoot rifle?
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It really has nothing to do with shooting rifle...or shotgun for that matter. It has to do with maintaining the origional principal of IPSC...Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas (accuracy, power, and speed)

Take away Accuracy and Power...and what is it?

We're alreday short on horsepower...we have two or three...3 gun matches per year (at most). It's not just interest from the shooters...it's time commitments from the volunteers.

Convincing people to come out and shoot rimfire rifles...while fun...is not introducing them to real 3 gun (or a portion of it) so what's the point?

My spare time is hard to find these days...I'll spend it promoting IPSC...

USPSA did not support multi gun at first and look what happened. I bet if you went back to the 70's and talked about adding the guns we now see in open that idea would not have had a very warm reception.

Well...the above mentioned changes were forward thinking...it was progress. We're on our way...watering it down for rimfires is regression...

I'm all for an "action rimfire" type sport...but it's not IPSC

Regards
 
Feel free to work with clubs to get 22 action style sports running in Ontario...but it won't be IPSC...period.

Speed, Power and Accuracy...in case you forgot...

Please be so kind as to explain the existence of "AIRSOFT" as an official IPSC event...

I just cannot keep from shaking my head every time I think about it.
 
Please be so kind as to explain the existence of "AIRSOFT" as an official IPSC event...

I just cannot keep from shaking my head every time I think about it.

Someones homage to Hong Kong...

It's a f**king joke...and you'll never see an airsoft match in Canada (certainly not in Ontario)

However...it's still no excuse to further water down the sport with rimfires...last time I checked...two wrongs still didn't make a right...

Airsoft, for what ever reason, got a provisional 1 year of acceptance. I suspect it will flourish in Hong Kong...and die everywhere else.

You show me a region where IPSC is being done with rimfires and airsoft guns...I'll show you a country of people that gave up and didn't fight. Now they get to sit around drinking tea and remenicing about the good ol days when they used to shoot real guns...

It is far and away the worst thing to ever happen to IPSC.
 
It was just a question brought upon by the below post that you were shooting IDPA...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ....well call it what you want. We enjoy our .22 pistols shooting IDPA stages with IDPA rules by guys who are all registered IDPA shooters at a affiliated IDPA club.

We like to refer to it as shooitng idpa vs center fire pistols when we should IDPA.:D

No big deal really. The biggest advantage to shootng .22 pistol in the winter is you don't have to chase your brass and .45acp brass is expensive. For at least two months of the year, often three we have a significant amount of snow so getting out with our 22 pistols and guns with conversion kits is great fun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Listening to all this, I can readily understand why "IPSC style" 3 gun club matches are far more fun than than "sanctioned" matches. We find it very easy to shoot both centerfire and rimfire at the same time, we just have the shooters enter in different categories, we even use 3 guns in the same stage! A small adjustment in the scoring techniques is the only thing required. A rimfire does work against stationary clay pigeons, paper targets, bowling pins, small steel reactive targets just as it does with centerfire firearms. Large steel reactive targets, are only required to be hit by the shooter, and if the spotter can hear the impact of the round he/she yells hit and the competitor moves to the next target.

We are in a period of deminishing competitors, if we don't find a way to attract new shooters, our sport will be almost non existent within 25 years.
How many people take their black badge, shoot 1 or 2 matches then never return. Seems to me that maybe IPSC is doing something wrong. I shot IPSC for 10 years and the most fun I had was at club matches where a little inititive was allowed.
 
Maybe the IPSC shoters who want to debate this issue should start a new thread. This wasn;t what the original poster was aking about.

Take Care

Bob
 
Maybe the xDPA shoters who want to debate this issue should start a new thread. This wasn;t what the original poster was aking about. ;)

Take Care

Craig
 
No he was asking about action shooting. No mentuion of IPSC from what I can see to which I quote:

"Action shooting games with .22lr???--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure if this has been discussed in the past but...

Maybe I'm dreaming or maybe one day it'll happen but seeing that reloading supplies are hard to get for some calibers as well as ammo right now but tons of .22lr everywhere you look for cheap...

Not only that, we're starting to see "black rifles" from Colt and Sig and maybe other companies but defintely 1022's and one's that have been cosmetically converted to look military. Then you have .22cal conversion kits for the full size handguns as well as the Sig Classic 22 models which is a full size .22cal handgun.

Could there one day be action shooting games that uses .22lr only?"


Take Care

Bob
 
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