Starscream
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I've heard whispers that the US army licensed the G11 designed for evaluations to replace their LMGs.
We can only hope.
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I've heard whispers that the US army licensed the G11 designed for evaluations to replace their LMGs.
We can only hope.
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What are you talking about???
400 rds through a C-9 will NOT warp the barrel, even fired non stop.
Not trying to be a #### here but your talking out your ass.
Starscream
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Not so much warp, but it will hurt barrel life significantly. Someone mentioned that during training you're issued a spare barrel and told to swap fairly often to prevent excessive throat erosion. Not to the point that the barrel was scrapped though.
He also mentioned that more often then not it didn't happen and he'd get C9's back with one barrel worn to hell and the other in the same condition as it was issued, leading to much ire.
I don't think this one will melt after just 5 Beta mags! Oh, wait, Betamags are for mouse guns only and this one fires only serious ammo... Well, I don't think it would melt anyways!
The 21 DOES get very hot when used in the sustained role due to it's closed bolt design.
Still an awesome weapon when employed properly.
And I'll second the motion.
Leibermuster, WTF are you trying to sell exactly? I've fired out barrels that were tagged for end of service life. More than once.
It was a TAD more than 400 rounds.
ETA: I like the HK line too. But the science fiction posts are getting tiresome.
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Did the G36 do as bad as the C7 / C8 in winter trials?
The Bundeswhere didn't have any problems with winter tests and the G36 uses the same gas system as the HK 416, which has done well in winter trials.
I agree that the "quantum leap" will be a case-less rifle.
Rich
The Bundeswhere didn't have any problems with winter tests and the G36 uses the same gas system as the HK 416, which has done well in winter trials.
I agree that the "quantum leap" will be a case-less rifle.
Rich
Yea caseless seems pretty cool.
Its a big step though and like all big steps I think it will show some issues yet unseen. Still Kevin's earlier argument that the modern m16FOW is doing its job as required.
In the big picture I think we'll see a reduction in military spending south of the border in the short term, if that happens you can bet that a new platform won't be all that high on the priority list.
Honestly I don't think there is a whole lot of desire for a new platform anywhere, not unless there is a major increase in effectiveness. An increase that boosts the effectiveness of armies as a whole, such a change may be in areas other then the PW.
I've heard whispers that the US army licensed the G11 designed for evaluations to replace their LMGs.
We can only hope.
They got hold of the caseless ammo (nobel Dynamite) and have it redevelop by atk - it is being pitched against the plastic cased telescopic ammo for their 10lb ultra light LMG.
Maybe it is not a bad idea to have the next generation of assualt rifles wait for the next generation of ammunition.
If they field a new LMG with a new type of ammunition then you can bet there will be an assault rifle put into service at the same time. It would definitely be interesting.
I believe I saw one at the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung museum in Koblenz. I have a photo that I took of it somewhere, but I have no idea where I've stored it.
Can you tell us where?
not trying to be an ass, I really want to know
I don't think operational testing means it was issued to troops who went on operations outside the country, but rather issued to a small unit for putting through exercises, range time, etc.
Of course I don't know, and could be easily talking out of my ass, but that was I thought the G11 got as far as.
Of course I don't know, and could be easily talking out of my ass, but that was I thought the G11 got as far as.
In fact, around 1000 rifles were made and delivered to West Germany units in 1990. They ceased production because of "economical reasons". Which makes sense, considering it's a very unorthodox design and the ammunition did cost significantly compared to the standard rounds at the time. Also with slightly more complex rounds, maintanence (parts replacement and repair) costs are much higher as well.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_G11
However, of the rifles developed there are still some in service. I know the German special forces still use them. I saw KSK (with our JTF2) equiped with them when I was over there. Was on sentry when their chopper landed in our FOB with wounded. First time I ever (sort of) saw a G11.
I personally think it's one of the best innovative infantry weapon systems. Afterall, what do you think the M41A Pulse Rifles was based off of?!
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_G11
However, of the rifles developed there are still some in service. I know the German special forces still use them. I saw KSK (with our JTF2) equiped with them when I was over there. Was on sentry when their chopper landed in our FOB with wounded. First time I ever (sort of) saw a G11.
I personally think it's one of the best innovative infantry weapon systems. Afterall, what do you think the M41A Pulse Rifles was based off of?!
I've never heard the 1000 number before by anyone of any authority (and I am not an authority on the G.11) By operational testing, I mean issued to troops for field trial in place of their G41.
The G11 is not being tested for specific adoption, but the G11 mechanisms have been used as a drawing board for testing, several manufacturers working with the .gov have system that where tested etc.
The G11 is not being tested for specific adoption, but the G11 mechanisms have been used as a drawing board for testing, several manufacturers working with the .gov have system that where tested etc.
There is no official source on that other than the interweb. The G11 for a time was "tested for specific adoption" by the West German army, but when Germany was unified, it lost it's priority. Likewise, I doubt the rifle would have ever made production anyway. The concept was years beyond it's time then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_G11
Nowadays, the concept would seem a more likely candidate for adoption by modern militaries. Everything else they are developing now isn't much different than what's already in use. Basically they're just upgrading (like how Blu-Ray proceeded DVD which proceeded CD which, ultimately proceeded Vinyl records) with the same level of technology. Optimizing, but nothing new.
