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The brenneke slug is a very old reliable design. Initially made in 1898, by Wilhelm Brenneke in Germany to address the faults of the then used "pumpkin balls" and such.

Since its popularity grew, it was even made in a 'Stahl Tip' (steel tip) variant for german settlers in East Africa to deal with large and dangerous animals.

That steel tip is long gone but the Brenneke Rotweill Classic slug with felt wad is still a VERY deep penetrator. (smoothbore design, can be used in newer rifled barrels too)

Much more reliable for bigger/hazardous critters than any one Foster style slug.


Quoted using the kind permission of a Brenneke employee:

Joe - -

Many thanks for your email concerning our Brenneke USA rifle slugs. Unfortunately, at this time, we are not licensed to sell our slugs in Canada. We have had several discussions with Canadian distributors but nothing has been finalized.

I assume you are referring to our new Special Forces Short Magnum being used in a rifled barrel shotgun - - i.e., the Ithaca Model 37 "SRT". I personally am not familiar with this shotgun. However; their is some misconception about using Brenneke USA rifle slugs in a smooth bore or rifle barrel shotgun.

All Brenneke slugs may be used in either a rifle barrel or smooth barrel shotgun with the exception of two - - our all brass Super Sabot and the 3 inch Gold Magnum. Both of these slugs are designed for rifle barrel shotguns only.

The purpose of the ribs on our slugs are there for one purpose only - - to allow the slug to pass through the three constricted area in the barrel - - the forcing cone in front of the chamber - - the inside bore - - and the choke. Open chokes do allow for somewhat better accuracy but our slugs may be used in any choke constriction, with the exception of the two listed above.

For your information, the Alaska State Police use our Classic 11/8 oz slug exclusively for Alaska Bear and Moose control. The Alaska Fire Control agency uses our Heavy Field Short Magnum 11/4 oz slug in their survival kilts for the same purpose. Both of these agencies use only smooth bore barrels.

We recently had a test done by an outside firm comparing our slugs with our competitors. Our slugs out performed all others in accuracy and penetration by a large margin. The tests were done using both smooth bore and rifle barrels. In several instances our slugs performed slightly better using a smooth bore in accuracy then in a rifle barrel. If you would like,

I have several different files on slugs we recommend for law enforcement and military. One of them is our Heavy Field short Magnum, 1 1/4 oz This slug has exactly the same ballistics as our new Special Forces Short Magnum. Some LE agencies will not buy a slug in a box with animals so we added a little more antimony for hardness, changed the packaging and used a red coating to distinguish it. The red coating will reduce some possible lead fouling as well but because Brenneke USA uses antimony in all of our slugs - - lead build up is not a major concern. If it does happen it can easily be removed. This slug penetrated the two FBI geleting blocks 34 inches and blew them 3 feel into the air. The closest competitor was 29 inches and the rest were much less. All competitive slugs flattened during the gelatin tests and our Brenneke USA slugs maintained their original shape and weight. If you would like I can also email you the test results on our Classic 1 1/8 slug.

I do not know when it will take place but hopefully we will be able to work something out in Canada. We receive many consumer requests for our slugs but most distributors we have spoken with do not want to add another line of rifle slugs to what they are already carrying.

If you would like one of our catalogs please email me your complete address and I will have one sent to you.

C### ###x, Brenneke USA

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What timing...

I spoke at length with Brenneke at IWA and we just signed on to be their exclusive Canadian partner...

Now, before you go and get all exceited, we will first have to get the packaging in french and the natures approved fro importaion, so it will take us a little while to get up to speed.

We'll let you guys here know as soon as we have the green light to import.

JR
 
TSE JR said:
Now, before you go and get all exceited, we will first have to get the packaging in french and the natures approved fro importaion, so it will take us a little while to get up to speed.
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I'm confused. I have Brenneke slugs made by Rottweil that I bought in Ontario and the packaging has German, Spanish, French and English instructions on the box. Are these not Brenneke products or are they like Rio, an aftermarket manufacturer using Brenneke slugs?
 
Claybuster said:
I'm confused. I have Brenneke slugs made by Rottweil that I bought in Ontario and the packaging has German, Spanish, French and English instructions on the box. Are these not Brenneke products or are they like Rio, an aftermarket manufacturer using Brenneke slugs?
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Claybuster my friend, what causes confusion is that TSE JR, God Bless him, is exclusively dealing with Brenneke USA. The Brenneke Rotweill slugs that you and I have, come from the original Brenneke German company. If I am wrong about this, please some-one correct me.

Brenneke USA, is in effect a seperate corporate entity. They do not require bilingual packaging, that is up until now...

Awesome Work there TSE JR.
I can't think of a better geographical location in Canada to make some coin selling this superior product!
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TSE JR said:
What timing...

I spoke at length with Brenneke at IWA and we just signed on to be their exclusive Canadian partner...

Now, before you go and get all exceited, we will first have to get the packaging in french and the natures approved fro importaion, so it will take us a little while to get up to speed.

We'll let you guys here know as soon as we have the green light to import.

JR
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Sweet. Will you be stocking, or ordering on demand?
 
Brutus said:
Claybuster my friend, what causes confusion is that TSE JR, God Bless him, is exclusively dealing with Brenneke USA. The Brenneke Rotweill slugs that you and I have, come from the original Brenneke German company. If I am wrong about this, please some-one correct me.

Brenneke USA, is in effect a seperate corporate entity. They do not require bilingual packaging, that is up until now...

Awesome Work there TSE JR.
I can't think of a better geographical location in Canada to make some coin selling this superior product!
:cool: :cool: :cool:
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X2 and thanks for the info.

BTW, the Brenneke slug loads from RIO are decent too. Probably the most accurate slugs I've fired from my 870.
 
Brenneke USA is a subsidiary of the European company... not much more than an office and wharehouse actually...

Once we get the approvals, we plan on stocking and gettting them out to as many dealers as possible.

JR
 
We have someone working on the paperwork for the approval process. The problem right now is getting everything translated properly for the process.

JR
 
Cool! So the RIO slugs are Brenneke Slugs? Where do you get them? I have a bunch of RIO Top trap loads and I must say, I really like this ammo.

That french packaging thing really pisses me off.

Here are the differences for those wondering
Brenneke Slugs

The Brenneke slug was developed by the famous German gun and ammunition designer Wilhelm Brenneke (1865–1951) in 1898. The original Brenneke slug is a solid lead slug with fins cast onto the outside, much like a rifled Foster slug. There is a plastic, felt or cellulose fiber wad attached to the base that remains attached after firing. This wad serves both as a gas seal and as a form of drag stabilization, much like the mass-forward design of the Foster slug. The "fins" impart little or no spin to the projectile; their purpose is to decrease the bearing surface of the slug to the barrel and therefore reduce friction and increase velocity.

Since the Brenneke slug is solid, rather than hollow like the Foster slug, the Brenneke will generally deform less on impact and provide deeper penetration (see terminal ballistics). The sharp shoulder and flat front of the Brenneke mean that its external ballistics restrict it to short range use, as it does not hold velocity well. The Brenneke slug in 12 gauge is well suited for large and dangerous game at close ranges, and deer sized game or antipersonnel use out to about 100 yards (90 meters). Brenneke slugs are somewhat more accurate than the Foster slugs, but are usually more expensive. With some new types of saboted Brenneke slugs, the range expands to 120-180 meters.

Brenneke slugs are loaded by a number of different makers (BRENNEKEUSA, FOB, ETC). Recently the Brenneke company, of Hanover, Germany, started marketing loaded ammunition, with Brenneke type slugs, saboted slugs, and buckshot.

Foster Slugs

A Foster slug, invented by Karl Foster in 1931, is a type of shotgun slug designed to be fired through a smoothbore shotgun barrel.

The defining characteristic of the Foster slug is the deep hollow in the rear, which places the center of mass very near the tip of the slug, much like a shuttlecock. If the slug begins to tumble in flight, drag will tend to push the slug back into straight flight. This gives the Foster slug stability and allows for accurate shooting out to ranges of about 75 yards (about 70 meters). Most Foster slugs also have "rifling", which consists of thin fins on the outside of the slug. Contrary to popular belief, these fins actually impart no spin onto the slug as it travels through the air. Since the slug is fired at a supersonic velocity, the nose of the slug pushing a shockwave creates a vacuum on the side of the slug, where the fins are located. The actual purpose of the fins is to allow the slug to safely be swaged down when fired through a choke, although accuracy will suffer when such a slug is fired through tighter chokes.

It is also possible to fire Foster slugs through rifled slug barrels, though lead fouling (build-up in the rifle grooves) can be a problem.

Saboted slugs

Saboted slugs are intended only for use in rifled barrels, as they are not inherently stable. The slugs are generally significantly smaller than the bore diameter, increasing the ballistic coefficient, and use the sabot to seal the bore and keep the slug centered in the bore. Saboted slugs, when fired out of a rifled barrel, can be far more accurate than slugs out of a smoothbore, and approach the accuracy of a typical hunting rifle.
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Any word on these? I'd sure like a box before heading to the field in early July.

If you need help translating, I bet we could knock off a quick one with our collective knowledge here.
 
i did find several boxes of the gold slugs for rifled barrels three inch mag and boy i realy like them thy hit very hard and are very true i wish i could get them in 20 g anybody now if thy will have them in 20 g in the future DUTCH
 
redleg said:
Update: NRCAN has now asked for samples for testing:rolleyes:

It is unlikely that this will happen fast.
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Haha, brutal. Can't believe I've been following this thread since March/2008.

If you get the feeling it's a lost cause, tell them you heard Brennekes speed up when they leave the barrel, tumble in the air so they create bigger wounds, are based on a top secret dum-dum design that allows you to stick your head in the wound channel without your ears getting wet, are weighted so they fragment on impact like a Glaser Safety Slug, and have a hollow point so they can pierce through bullet proof vests. That should keep them busy for awhile.

Then tell them you plan on importing 12 gauge Dixie Slugs from the U.S., because you heard they can punch through tank armor.
 
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