.22 cal air pistol ????????????

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:confused: a few questions about them:

- Can you pack it deer hunting to knock over a grouse?

- are they made in a pump design?

- can it be concealed when doing deer hunting?

- Should it be on a belt when deer hunting?

- should a guy just forget about it and pack the shotgun/.22 rifle on his quad instead?
 
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powder burner said:
:confused: a few questions about them:

- Can you pack it deer hunting to knock over a grouse?

- are they made in a pump design?

- can it be concealed when doing deer hunting?

- Should it be on a belt when deer hunting?

- should a guy just forget about it and pack the shotgun/.22 rifle on his quad instead?
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-yes (at least in BC) it's legal to pack it if it's a non-restricted.

-I don't know if they are made in pump design.

-Concealed? How do you conceal a non-restricted?

-On your belt....if it makes you happy and meets the criteria above, then OK.

-If it's slower than 500 FPS then it's not going to kill anything, you might as well throw a friggin rock at the grouse. If it is faster than 500 FPS then you have to follow firearm laws which means no CCW, and no pistols.

-I would use a .22 (long rifle not air) for the grouse, but it's just my .02
 
Shrek said:
-yes (at least in BC) it's legal to pack it if it's a non-restricted.

-I don't know if they are made in pump design.

-Concealed? How do you conceal a non-restricted?

-On your belt....if it makes you happy and meets the criteria above, then OK.

-If it's slower than 500 FPS then it's not going to kill anything, you might as well throw a friggin rock at the grouse. If it is faster than 500 FPS then you have to follow firearm laws which means no CCW, and no pistols.

-I would use a .22 (long rifle not air) for the grouse, but it's just my .02
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conceal: in backpack, inside hunting jacket, in huntingpants cargo pocket, quad box.

495FPS should knock over something. Its all about the stealth mode. Plus it wont be loud enough to let the next "powder burner buck" know Im in the area.

crossman made a .177 pump pistol that served me well on grouse in the past. Do they make a similar model in .22 pellet?
 
I think CTire is starting to stock the Crosman Pump pneumatic pistol again. Saw it in a Sporting Goods insert that was in a Magazine at work, anyway.

Google for Crosman Medalist, and Crosman 1322. Those were two names used for the pump pistol. It is the forerunner of the Crosman Backpacker, with some cosmetic changes.

Benjamin/Sheridan had a couple models of pump pistol in 22 as well.

If you hit them, you will kill them. Think head shots!

Not really clear whether a pellet pistol is legal in Alberta or not. Last time I saw the subject come up it was waffling over whether being a non-gun trumped a no handguns for hunting clause.

Slingshots are good to go, though.

Cheers
Trev
 
Get a 2240 made by Crosman.Cheap ,accurate and strong.If you don'e like buying CO2 for the 2240, then get a 2289 pump up .22.It comes with a detachable shoulder stock and produces about 430 fps with 8 pumps.Enough power for Grouse head shots at close range.Both guns can be bought for under 100 dollars.Pm me if you want a few reliable mail order sources.I suggest a 2240 and mod it with a longer barrel.I have a 14 inch on mine and it is quieter than stock.Google these models and you will see that they both have a loyal following.My favorite airpistol is the 2289's little brother the 1377.It is the 177 version pump up gun, that is smaller,lighter, and handier, than the 2289.It is very accurate and can be pumped up to grouse killing levels.Just remember to keep your shots close range[under 10 meters] and use pointed pellets aimed for the head.Body shots are for the 800 fps and up rifles.[photobucket's server is down or I would post pics]
 
Stay away from .177 pistols for grouse as they are too week.

The Weihrauch HW45 in .22 is a good one for grouse. Similar power to the Crosman 2289. Much more pricey though!
 
Ballistics 101
a .22 cal airgun @ under 500 fps @ 10 meters will dump a bird easy , hit it in the head.
Take a registered .22 air rifle @ 40 meters, their numbers are getting close.
If it goes thru a soup can it will kill a bird.:D
 
.22 air pistol

powder burner said:
conceal: in backpack, inside hunting jacket, in huntingpants cargo pocket, quad box.

495FPS should knock over something. Its all about the stealth mode. Plus it wont be loud enough to let the next "powder burner buck" know Im in the area.

crossman made a .177 pump pistol that served me well on grouse in the past. Do they make a similar model in .22 pellet?
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Yes they do in a pump up version. Mine makes short work out of pigeons magpies and squirils...(sp)
 
gandalfe said:
Get a 2240 made by Crosman.Cheap ,accurate and strong.If you don'e like buying CO2 for the 2240, then get a 2289 pump up .22.It comes with a detachable shoulder stock and produces about 430 fps with 8 pumps.Enough power for Grouse head shots at close range.Both guns can be bought for under 100 dollars.Pm me if you want a few reliable mail order sources.I suggest a 2240 and mod it with a longer barrel.I have a 14 inch on mine and it is quieter than stock.Google these models and you will see that they both have a loyal following.My favorite airpistol is the 2289's little brother the 1377.It is the 177 version pump up gun, that is smaller,lighter, and handier, than the 2289.It is very accurate and can be pumped up to grouse killing levels.Just remember to keep your shots close range[under 10 meters] and use pointed pellets aimed for the head.Body shots are for the 800 fps and up rifles.[photobucket's server is down or I would post pics]
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Would more than 8 pumps push it over 500 FPS? Might be a legal loophole. This migh eff up air seals though?? Opinions??
 
As stock for a pumper, they go by the factory recomendation of I think 8 pumps(?) to get final legal velocity, but you can get more of out it by pumping more. Standard pressure inside the valve gets over 1000psi, it takes quite some pumping to damage one, when I had a 2289 I pumped it over 30 times without any damage. You might melt the pump cup though if you are too hasty. Another thing that people often do is shorten the white plastic check valve that is inside the valve to get more valve volume. This means that you need to pump the gun about 50 times to get the same pressure but you can use a longer barrel to take advantage of that extra air for more velocity. Or if you modify the hammer spring or valve spring properly, you can use the extra air to take a second shot after the first since it's possible to only dump a portion of the air. There is also the possibility of reducing the valve volume, and using a good flat top piston to get you near 500 fps in as few pumps as possible. There are even those who have used the extra valve volume to shoot a larger caliber, I've seen 9mm and I think .32 while browsing the web. You can basically tune these guns to do exactly what you want if you have the time and money, but I have some doubts about how strong the new valves are; a while back crosman switched from using brass to aluminium and the new valves are not as well finished.


There are many articles on the web about the 22xx/13xx series of guns, do a search and start reading.
 
The trouble is that these inexpensive are addictive and it is hard to keep from modding them. Here are some of mine
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I never knew that these things had such a following. I might have to look for a .22 air pumper. I cant understand people spending money on C02 cartridges for one.

Does cambodian tire have the best prices for what you get?
 
Unless on sale, they have the worst prices, ....for everything. Which is why they are able to put a $180 welder on sale for $100.


You can order online from sites like airgunsource or D&L but with shipping it might come out to be same or more as canadian tire price.

If you want to support the independent guy, you can order from scopesandammo.com, a member of airgunforum.ca, or you could check for sale ad's in the forum.
 
powder burner said:
I cant understand people spending money on C02 cartridges for one.

Does cambodian tire have the best prices for what you get?
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I buy my c02 cartridges in bulk.For a bulk buy of a hundred cartridges I pay about 32 cents each.You can also bulk fill and shoot out of paintball bottles.It's even cheaper to shoot that way.I like pneumatics and pumpers but sometimes if you do a lot of shooting my arm muscles get reduced to jelly.Co2 guns are a lot of fun and don't have to be expensive to shoot.A nice compromise might be a BSA Scorpion or a Webley tempest.Cheap to shoot and easy on your arm.Scorpions are also very powerful for a springer.
 
Some of the paintball retailers sell bulk qty 12 gram cartridges. Mostly you are looking at mail order, though.

WalMart and Crappy Tire are the usual retail suspects. Pricing is strange. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy a couple smalle boxes, other times it's cheaper to buy the big box (25 carts, usually). Don't worry about brands, they all have 12 grams of CO2. It's claimed that some have oil, but I've never seen any evidenc of it in the carts I have cut up.

I still buy a few carts now and then to shoot my Crosman 150's, but if I were taking any airgun out in the field, it'd be the pump pneumatic, as it won't slow down in the cold weather.

All the springer pistols I have shot were either too heavy and bulk for my tastes, or were generally a PITA to work with for one reason or another. The Webley's were pretty decent, but still a pain to manage, the big BSA pistols are pretty much a cut down full size air rifle in a pistol grip, and were heavier than some 22 rifles.

Cheers
Trev
 
gab said:
Was wondering where to buy co2 cartridges in bulk? The largest packages I have seen were boxes of 40 at Crappy Tire.
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There was a bulk seller on airgunforum when I was last there, you might want to ask around and see if they are still selling.
 
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