My club is holding a IPSC open house this weekend and I am planning on going out to see what it is all about. I have a feeling that I will get bit by the bug and will be looking for a IPSC gun for next summer. What should I be looking at for a entry level IPSC gun? What cal. ? I have been wanting a 1911 for some time now so maybe I can get my 1911 fix as well as a good IPSC gun at the same time.
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If you have a gun already, try it out at a match first, see how you like it and what you think it needs. See what others are shooting. Unfortunately we don't have a Single Stack class like the US so a 1911 is a bit handicapped...but a lot of fun to shoot...so a hi cap frame 1911 might be what you are after, or a production gun (see the IPSC rule book for approved guns) or even a revolver.
I went thru the same thing 2 years ago when I got started.
Sounds like you have a chance to go and see and fondle a number of firearms. All the IPSC guys I know are more than happy to share their view of what is the best gun for the game.
Talk to shooters in all classes, Production, Standard and Open and see what interests you the most.
Could be buy in cost, a caliber that you already reload for, or just one gun that catches your fancy. Sounds like a 1911 fills the bill.
Caliber is a age old question, 9mm is a minor power factor unless you want to crank it up, .40 can be loaded both ways, .45 is the round the whole power factor was based upon.
Magazine capacity is also a concern, 45's are 8 or 9 round? ( do not shoot one some else can clarify this.) If you go to 10 rounders I am not sure if the gun would fit in the required size box. The more rounds the better as some stages require lots of rounds ( max 32)
If you have not found out out about the power factor requirement, time to hit the rule book. In essance the rule is (bullet weight times velocity) has to be equal to or greater a specific number.
Production is a min. of 125, Standard and open are scored as minor 125 or major 170/160.
One consideration is the number of shooters in each class in the club, no fun if you buy a gun that fits in one class and everyone else shoots in another class.
By your avatar I think you are in Sask.? If so most folks are either in Open or Production class.
My choice in the 1911/2011 class would be a name brand gun in .40, this can be loaded down to pussy cat levels or cranked up to make major power factor as well.
Pm me if you want more info, Could be coincidence but I am heading for a open house/ fun match in Prince Albert on Saturday, Is that where you are at?
Ask this question in the action shooting forum for a lot more responses, Lots of good info and great shooters there.
Kim
Sounds like you have a chance to go and see and fondle a number of firearms. All the IPSC guys I know are more than happy to share their view of what is the best gun for the game.
Talk to shooters in all classes, Production, Standard and Open and see what interests you the most.
Could be buy in cost, a caliber that you already reload for, or just one gun that catches your fancy. Sounds like a 1911 fills the bill.
Caliber is a age old question, 9mm is a minor power factor unless you want to crank it up, .40 can be loaded both ways, .45 is the round the whole power factor was based upon.
Magazine capacity is also a concern, 45's are 8 or 9 round? ( do not shoot one some else can clarify this.) If you go to 10 rounders I am not sure if the gun would fit in the required size box. The more rounds the better as some stages require lots of rounds ( max 32)
If you have not found out out about the power factor requirement, time to hit the rule book. In essance the rule is (bullet weight times velocity) has to be equal to or greater a specific number.
Production is a min. of 125, Standard and open are scored as minor 125 or major 170/160.
One consideration is the number of shooters in each class in the club, no fun if you buy a gun that fits in one class and everyone else shoots in another class.
By your avatar I think you are in Sask.? If so most folks are either in Open or Production class.
My choice in the 1911/2011 class would be a name brand gun in .40, this can be loaded down to pussy cat levels or cranked up to make major power factor as well.
Pm me if you want more info, Could be coincidence but I am heading for a open house/ fun match in Prince Albert on Saturday, Is that where you are at?
Ask this question in the action shooting forum for a lot more responses, Lots of good info and great shooters there.
Kim
I am in Prince albert so maybe I will see you out there. As for cost I would like to keep it at around the $1200 mark or less. I don't have anything that would work for IPSC, S&W .22 auto, Tokarev and 2 .45LC and my P-08 that I am waiting to get back from the smith. None of which I would guess would make a good IPSC gun. I was thinking a CZ 75 SP-01 or maybe some thing from SIG not sure what model.
Try to stay away from anything with less than 10 round magazines if you are really looking to get into IPSC. Most stages are designed around this, and having to do extra reloads will really hurt your overall score. If you want to shoot 9mm. look for something Production class approved. Everything else is personal preference in my opinion.
I believe the biggest you can use is an 8 round mag.
The gun with magazine fitted has to fit into a regulation size box for production and standard clases. The single stack 10 round extended magazines just will not fit. So you either give up some capacity or you'll need to plan your route through the targets to suit your 8 round magazines and minimize the impact of this "shortcoming".
It's a definite handicap but not everyone shoots to be the number one man at the end of the day. By all means take it seriously but if you want to use an 8 round limited .45 and you're more interested in seeing how well you can do against all the 10 round mag crowd and actually taking a trophy home isn't so important then by all means shoot what you want to shoot and don't worry about anything else.
It's a definite handicap but not everyone shoots to be the number one man at the end of the day. By all means take it seriously but if you want to use an 8 round limited .45 and you're more interested in seeing how well you can do against all the 10 round mag crowd and actually taking a trophy home isn't so important then by all means shoot what you want to shoot and don't worry about anything else.
Hmmm... I was told that Production has to fit the box as well. Or perhaps I'm confusing IPSC regs with IDPA regs. It's been a while since I saw "The Box" and the guys told me this stuff.
Of course a 1911 doesn't fit in Production in any event so it's pretty much a moot point.
Yeah, I know the rule book will say all this as well.
Of course a 1911 doesn't fit in Production in any event so it's pretty much a moot point.
Yeah, I know the rule book will say all this as well.
I would like to keep it at around the $1200 mark or less Quote. tbooker.
Sounds to me that production is the division for you. The CZ-75, and the SP-01 have served me well. For $1200 you should be almost able to get a decent used entire package (gun, mags, belt, and holster) and have some money left for ammo.
Save your money for ammo and shoot more. Production I have found to be less costly, not less fun.
Sounds to me that production is the division for you. The CZ-75, and the SP-01 have served me well. For $1200 you should be almost able to get a decent used entire package (gun, mags, belt, and holster) and have some money left for ammo.
Save your money for ammo and shoot more. Production I have found to be less costly, not less fun.
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With one exception, the Para-Ordnance LDA. Although, there will be those who would say the LDA isn't a 1911.
If 1200.00 is your budget, in no particular order have a look at:
Glock
S&W M&P
CZ SP01 (Shadow if you can get it)
And the new STI GP6 looks very cool to me.
Pick one that feels good to you and practice your butt off. You'll be well served with any of these.
Glock
S&W M&P
CZ SP01 (Shadow if you can get it)
And the new STI GP6 looks very cool to me.
Pick one that feels good to you and practice your butt off. You'll be well served with any of these.
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A $1200 budget limits you a fair bit.
Unless you get a screaming deal and you like to reload, Open division is out.
The 1911 single stack is severely handicapped by the box rule (gun with mag installed must fit in box). Who knows, maybe you'll be smokin' fast at mag changes and you have about 8 of them on you
. Most that I've seen shoot 40 cal in standard.
Modified is the other division that has to fit in the box. I've never seen one in person.
Production is fast becoming the new standard div. New tricks and toys available that are division legal. Stinking light trigger pulls and super short resets. I shoot a GP6 and love it.
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Unless you get a screaming deal and you like to reload, Open division is out.
The 1911 single stack is severely handicapped by the box rule (gun with mag installed must fit in box). Who knows, maybe you'll be smokin' fast at mag changes and you have about 8 of them on you
. Most that I've seen shoot 40 cal in standard. Modified is the other division that has to fit in the box. I've never seen one in person.
Production is fast becoming the new standard div. New tricks and toys available that are division legal. Stinking light trigger pulls and super short resets. I shoot a GP6 and love it.
I thought the new M&P9 Pro was factory set to below 5lbs. They in turn mistakenly told IPSC that it was heavier than it was and IPSC added it to the Production legal list. To cover the whoops, IPSC (correctly) stated that the competitor was responsible for the correct trigger pull weight.ron hilchey said:
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