Which 410 should I get

Which one should I consider getting?

  • Survivor Shotgun/Rifle .410/.45LC

    Votes: 27 64.3%

  • Tamer .410

    Votes: 15 35.7%
  • Total voters
    42
Crazy.kayaker

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I'm looking at getting a 410 for upland game Grouse and Rabbit and I'm looking at getting either the Survivor Shotgun H&R Rifle .410/45LC or the Tamer Shotgun in .410 I'm wondering other then the screw in chokes in one along with the shooting of 45LC and the easy access to the shells in the other what differences are there and which one would you recommend I look at getting? I'm favorable towards the .410/45LC since I can pack some 45LC along for some larger game hunting when I go out.
 
Funny, i have a snake slayer on its way next week and was going through the ee's for
a similar round in a shotgun.. I'd go for the H & R. I always thought the .410 was a wee bit small. I bet its perfect for upland game birds. I've disintegrated grouse in the past with my 12 gauge(being too close).
 
I Bought the Survivor 410/45 last year for chickens and I thought the 45 would be good for a tent-bear gun. It is a wicked little chicken gun, I haven't shot the 45 out of it yet. because I have a big problem with mine, that is it absolutely will not spit the shell back out, instead I have to use my cleaning rod to poke it back out. According to a couple guys I talked to this is a problem with the surviror. I just sent it away to the warranty depot a couple weeks ago, so hopefully it all goes well, I do really like the gun. One of my hunting partners has the tamer, and he loves it with no problems.
 
jamiejaf said:
Funny, i have a snake slayer on its way next week and was going through the ee's for
a similar round in a shotgun.. I'd go for the H & R. I always thought the .410 was a wee bit small. I bet its perfect for upland game birds. I've disintegrated grouse in the past with my 12 gauge(being too close).
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First grouse I shot with my shotgun all I found of it was some feathers and a leg.....so I know what you mean by disintegrating a grouse with a shotgun. Now I just use my Ithaca .22LR for Grouse and I want another gun I can use.

broadhead67 said:
have you considered a Savage over & under 22. lr / 410.. mine goes on every trip - swiss army knife of rifles.
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I have but I'm using what I clear on the sale of a different gun to buy this gun. I still need new Hiking/Hunting boots so I can't afford to add extra money to the pot and I have 3 12 gauges in my gun cabinet so I need something smaller :D I've also been looking at one of them since I got my PAL I love Single shot guns. I can shoot 3 rounds in my single 12 gauge in the time it takes someone to shoot 3 rounds in a pump action granted I'm shooting my last round as they are ejecting their 3rd round but that's still Pretty Darn Fast for a single shot.
 
" I can shoot 3 rounds in my single 12 gauge in the time it takes someone to shoot 3 rounds in a pump action granted I'm shooting my last round as they are ejecting their 3rd round but that's still Pretty Darn Fast for a single shot."[/QUOTE]

I would love to see a video of that, You might be able to do it but I would like to see what it looks like;)

I supose if you had to load the pump gun first, it might be a little easier.
 
mpjustin said:
" I can shoot 3 rounds in my single 12 gauge in the time it takes someone to shoot 3 rounds in a pump action granted I'm shooting my last round as they are ejecting their 3rd round but that's still Pretty Darn Fast for a single shot."
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I would love to see a video of that, You might be able to do it but I would like to see what it looks like;)

I suppose if you had to load the pump gun first, it might be a little easier.[/QUOTE]
There is a story behind the 3 in a single to 3 in a pump.
You have to have the rounds in your hands and I'm pretty sure the guy I was shooting against was playing nice and not just pumping and blasting as we were blowing apart some clays we laid out on the range 25-40 yards out. I figure in a blast as many rounds as you can between a single and a pump I'd get the 2nd round in, action closed and maybe get the gun cocked by the time the 3rd round was being fired doubt I'd get the trigger pulled by the time it got ejected unless I just let the hammer SLIP as it's a 60 year old single shot :) I am fast for sure just I have no real full time shooting buddy to practice against. As for a video I there are less then 10 pictures taken of me in the last 2 year and 2 were cause I was caught ahead of the mad camera clicker so odds are there will never be a video with me in it sorry I hate Camera's. Back to the 410 which would be better for a bear? a 410 slug or a 45LC round? Same with a deer?
 
Back to the 410 which would be better for a bear? a 410 slug or a 45LC round? Same with a deer?[/QUOTE]

I too would like to know the answer to this. Also what does 1/5 of an once work out to be in grains?
 
The H&R would be my choice. .45 colt long can be handloaded to get close to .44 mag performance which would make it fine for deer and black bear. (Factory ammo is far weeker at around 400 ft lbs of muzzle energy.) However, I'm not sure if this particular shotgun can stand the pressure of handloaded ammo though...
 
I wouldn't go using a .410 on a deer or any big game. If you look in your hunting reg's it is probably not allowed. In Ontario for deer you can not shoot anything smaller than a 20g.
 
28 gauge said:
Have you considered getting a 28 gauge?Much better partridge(rugged grouse) getter than the .410 in my opinion.
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Any idea where I could find one for under $250? I've never seen a 28 Gauge under 1k but I've never looked that hard either. I'd consider one but the almighty $$$$$$$$ controls my spending I just need to know where to look for one that is cheap.
 
Get the Survivor, it's the only reasonable cost solution to your needs. The Tamer will not be useable for anything other than birds and bunnies, the Survivor does give you the 45LC alternative for bigger game.
I got the Survivor as an all round Truck / ATV / Grouse gun that can in a pinch be used to ward off a bear if really needed or pot a deer if it's really close. The nickle plating and the plastic are pretty indestructable.
I've experienced the fail to eject but only on cheap 410 shells, never on the 45LC. I carry a cleaning rod just in case. Also remember to remove the choke before using the 45LC.
Down sides are the expense of 45LC. I found it was better to buy a ton of it at the HACS show in Chilliwack where it was available at @ .60 a round. Another down side is the lack of rifle sights and no way to mount a scope. So if you are going for deer, it better be close, suggest 50 yards or less.
The other problem I have is my Wife is quite petite and she really likes the Survivor as it is one of the very few guns she can handle and shoot effectively. I think it's now her Survivor, not mine. :p
 
Crazy.kayaker said:
Any idea where I could find one for under $250? I've never seen a 28 Gauge under 1k but I've never looked that hard either. I'd consider one but the almighty $$$$$$$$ controls my spending I just need to know where to look for one that is cheap.
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Afraid I cannot help much on the under $250.00 range for a new 28 gauge.New England Firearms made a single barrel 28 gauge but I am not sure if they are still available or not.

Seems to me that I saw a 28 gauge Savage O/U for sale somewhere for five or six hundred dollars.

I know what you mean about the almighty $$$$$$$$ controling your spending.I have the same problem.So many firearms and so little money.
 
Winchested said:
If you remove the choke would it not cut the threads apart and make the bullet stumble or rip apart?
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Beats me but the manual warns you to remove the choke when using the 45LC. Maybe choked it's too restricted for the 45? Remember, the 45LC bullet is just lead as far as I know so maybe it would be the other way around, the steel threads cutting into the bullet?
 
28 gauge said:
Afraid I cannot help much on the under $250.00 range for a new 28 gauge.New England Firearms made a single barrel 28 gauge but I am not sure if they are still available or not.

Seems to me that I saw a 28 gauge Savage O/U for sale somewhere for five or six hundred dollars.

I know what you mean about the almighty $$$$$$$$ controling your spending.I have the same problem.So many firearms and so little money.
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ya I need boots or I could add a good $250 more to my gun fund. But Like I said to been looking at one since I got my PAL/RPAL time to scratch the itch! As for a 28 gauge I found the New England one but there are no links to buy it any more so it must be discontinued :( and I'm not a new gun freak. If I could find a used 28 for cheap I'd snatch it up. I'm also cheap I like cheapish guns so I'm not afraid of taking them out in to the bush and hurt them.

Iron Glove said:
Beats me but the manual warns you to remove the choke when using the 45LC. Maybe choked it's too restricted for the 45? Remember, the 45LC bullet is just lead as far as I know so maybe it would be the other way around, the steel threads cutting into the bullet?
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Interesting...is there any rifling in the barrel to make the bullet accurate? or like you said the steel threads cut in to the bullet. How does the storage on the survivor work?
 
Crazy.kayaker said:
ya I need boots or I could add a good $250 more to my gun fund. But Like I said to been looking at one since I got my PAL/RPAL time to scratch the itch! As for a 28 gauge I found the New England one but there are no links to buy it any more so it must be discontinued :( and I'm not a new gun freak. If I could find a used 28 for cheap I'd snatch it up. I'm also cheap I like cheapish guns so I'm not afraid of taking them out in to the bush and hurt them.
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I hear you,Crazy.If you run across one the Remington Model 870 Express is probably the best deal for an inexpensive 28 gauge repeater.
 
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