Best non-res SHTF gun?

The ROC said:
LOL... well the SHTF two days ago for peolpe in Vaughan and Durham region when the F2 tornados touched down on their homes. If someone in that area thought they were all "prepared" is now S out of luck. Ooooooh... look what just landed in my backyard... dang it... the barrels bent :mad:.

I just hope they resisdence don't become victims of looting....
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This is why a non-restricted SHTF gun can be useful...having tornados blow your town apart is definitely a SHTF moment in my books. However, I assume anyone who does the "SHTF HAS HIT MY AR IS NOW GOOD TO GO!!!" thing in those places still gets nailed when the emergency response people start showing up.

A SHTF situation could be anything from a massive earthquake to total economic collapse and if I had to predict which was more likely to require the use or display of a firearm in my lifetime I would have to say the former.

Natural disasters might necessitate the use of a gun and qualify as some serious S hitting the F but not all law and order falls apart. You might still get screwed on openly packing around a restricted firearm.
 
I don't understand why people even compare a shotgun vs lets say an AR or M14 in SHTF...Both have their uses though in a separate categories.
 
FraserJ20 said:
Tavor maybe?

Once they start coming in of course

PE-90 works too.

Most economical would be the AR 180b for magazines, parts and ammo compatibility.
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In this case the Tavor would be the one, PE90 are heavier but very reliable..AR180B I won't even got there but they do work.
 
Starscream said:
What kind of SHTF are you talking about, a concentrated Russian invasion?
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Doesn't matter the catastrophic event they're all SHTF moments and am not talking about Red Dawn either...

Have fun with your 12gauge shotgun, I'll be fine with my rifle and in that case we'll see who comes up on top of things. :cool:
 
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Got the van, can pretty much live out of it and after a slight modification to the roof I doubt anyone will pull me over.
 
KRASHED said:
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Got the van, can pretty much live out of it and after a slight modification to the roof I doubt anyone will pull me over.
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And the welding of the van starts falling apart - I hope your wife doesn't mind carrying the receiver!! :bigHug:
 
If I'm not mistaken, this thread was asking about the best NON-RESTRICTED firearms for a SHTF scenario...the majority of arms brought up by most posters on this thread are actually restricted firearms and require an ATT from your CFO...not something that you can just place in your vehicle and leave there. And truly, if you're in a SHTF situation and under stress, how often are you going to be touching off an off-hand shot at 100 metres or further???

A shotgun may not be as ###y as an AR-15 variant, but it's versatile, rugged, and most importantly, reliable. The greatest majority of tactical semi-automatic centerfire rifles or SMGs are actually restricted or prohibited which leaves you essentially bolt action, lever action, and pump action rifles to choose from. And I DO NOT consider a .22LR as an effective round against serious threats to personal safety and security. For those that say shotguns have reduced capacity they are only partially correct...high capacity shotguns (like my Mossberg 590) actually have a larger capacity than a legal AR-15 magazine of 5 rounds...unless you own 30 round magazines already and are breaking the law, in which case you have no business owning a firearm in the first place and are only giving the authorities more "ammunition" (pardon the pun) to infringe on our firearm ownership priviledges.

A properly equipped shotgun is just as effective in close to moderate engagements as that of a centerfire rifle. Ammunition is easily accessible and the weapons system is easy to operate under stress when one's motor skills are less than stellar. After all, isn't the entire issue brought up in the thread about a weapon that you have to use because you have no other alternative but to immediately defend your life or the lives of your loved ones? I'll take a functional, overpowering, loud, and hard-hitting 12 gauge on any day to stop an immediate threat to my personal safety and security at close to moderate ranges, but I will concede that for long range engagements a centerfire rifle would be ideal.
 
ThePunisherNS said:
If I'm not mistaken, this thread was asking about the best NON-RESTRICTED firearms for a SHTF scenario...the majority of arms brought up by most posters on this thread are actually restricted firearms and require an ATT from your CFO...not something that you can just place in your vehicle and leave there. And truly, if you're in a SHTF situation and under stress, how often are you going to be touching off an off-hand shot at 100 metres or further???

A shotgun may not be as ###y as an AR-15 variant, but it's versatile, rugged, and most importantly, reliable. The greatest majority of tactical semi-automatic centerfire rifles or SMGs are actually restricted or prohibited which leaves you essentially bolt action, lever action, and pump action rifles to choose from. And I DO NOT consider a .22LR as an effective round against serious threats to personal safety and security. For those that say shotguns have reduced capacity they are only partially correct...high capacity shotguns (like my Mossberg 590) actually have a larger capacity than a legal AR-15 magazine of 5 rounds...unless you own 30 round magazines already and are breaking the law, in which case you have no business owning a firearm in the first place and are only giving the authorities more "ammunition" (pardon the pun) to infringe on our firearm ownership priviledges.
A properly equipped shotgun is just as effective in close to moderate engagements as that of a centerfire rifle. Ammunition is easily accessible and the weapons system is easy to operate under stress when one's motor skills are less than stellar. After all, isn't the entire issue brought up in the thread about a weapon that you have to use because you have no other alternative but to immediately defend your life or the lives of your loved ones? I'll take a functional, overpowering, loud, and hard-hitting 12 gauge on any day to stop an immediate threat to my personal safety and security at close to moderate ranges, but I will concede that for long range engagements a centerfire rifle would be ideal.
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Wrong about the capacity. Rifles with pistol mags have more capacity than shotguns. Secondly I have a serious issue with your statement about standard capacity magazines. Sure the person who has them is breaking a law but its an unjust law. For you to judge them in such a way to me is blasphemy.
 
As per mrsmitty's quote:

"Wrong about the capacity. Rifles with pistol mags have more capacity than shotguns. Secondly I have a serious issue with your statement about standard capacity magazines. Sure the person who has them is breaking a law but its an unjust law. For you to judge them in such a way to me is blasphemy."

Regardless of whether one agrees with the firearms legislation that has been put in place in this country or not (and I do not agree with it at all), it is still the law. If individuals have pre-ban style magazines that have been grandfathered in for one reason or another that is one thing...but to knowingly obtain them KNOWING that they are outlawed here in Canada is no different than the buffoons we all hear about in the news media who make us lawful gun owners look like reckless militants and increase fear and apprehension amongst people who no nothing about safe and law-abiding gun ownership. Individuals that knowingly obtain magazines that have a capacity that make them illegal are breeding perceptions about the rest of us that are inaccurate and WILL lead to the outright and full disarming of our country.
 
For that SHTF scenario I would probably grab my Remington Marine Magnum, it's idiot proof or at least me proof anyways.

It is true shot guns might have one or two round more than a legal "semi-Auto" rifle (who doesn't own some LAR pistol mags anyways", however the equalizer is the magazine, it takes 2 seconds to slap another magazine into the rifle, where as the shotgun takes a bit longer ;)
 
ThePunisherNS said:
As per mrsmitty's quote:

"Wrong about the capacity. Rifles with pistol mags have more capacity than shotguns. Secondly I have a serious issue with your statement about standard capacity magazines. Sure the person who has them is breaking a law but its an unjust law. For you to judge them in such a way to me is blasphemy."

Regardless of whether one agrees with the firearms legislation that has been put in place in this country or not (and I do not agree with it at all), it is still the law. If individuals have pre-ban style magazines that have been grandfathered in for one reason or another that is one thing...but to knowingly obtain them KNOWING that they are outlawed here in Canada is no different than the buffoons we all hear about in the news media who make us lawful gun owners look like reckless militants and increase fear and apprehension amongst people who no nothing about safe and law-abiding gun ownership. Individuals that knowingly obtain magazines that have a capacity that make them illegal are breeding perceptions about the rest of us that are inaccurate and WILL lead to the outright and full disarming of our country.
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Thanks for that rather preachy sermon on who and what gun owners should be. :rolleyes:

But not everyone agrees with the compliance outlook. And not by a long shot. Before giving me/us/whatever a retort sermon and boring a large number of people trying to have an amusing discussion here, I'm going to instead divert this thread to a far more controversial figure in recent Canadian history that ignored a far more important set of Canadian laws.

Dr. Henry Morgentaler.
On June 1, 1970, Morgentaler was arrested in Montreal for performing illegal abortions. In 1972 he ran in the Federal Election in the riding of Saint-Denis as an independent, finishing fourth with 1,509 votes. Later in 1973 he claimed to have performed 5,000 illegal abortions. He was acquitted by a jury in the court case, but the acquittal was overturned by five judges on the Quebec Court of Appeal in 1974. He went to prison, appealed, and was again acquitted. In total, he served 10 months,[7] suffering a heart attack while in solitary confinement.[8] Morgentaler first went to the Supreme Court of Canada in an attempt to overturn the country's abortion law in Morgentaler v. The Queen but was unsuccessful.

In 1982, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was enacted as part of the Canadian Constitution. Morgentaler was charged again in 1983 in Ontario for procuring illegal miscarriages. He was acquitted by a jury, but the verdict was reversed by the Court of Appeal for Ontario. The case was then sent to the Supreme Court of Canada. He was acquitted once again, and the Canadian Supreme Court declared the law he was convicted under to be in violation of the Charter and thus unconstitutional in the case of R. v. Morgentaler 1988 (1 S.C.R. 30). This ruling by Justice Brian Dickson essentially ended all statutory restrictions on abortion in Canada.

Morgentaler's recent legal battles have focused on obtaining universal public funding for abortions. In New Brunswick, for example, the provincial health care system only pays for abortions performed at authorized hospitals and approved by two physicians. Morgentaler has challenged this policy and it is currently before the courts.[9]

Morgentaler is currently working to open two private abortion clinics in the Canadian Arctic, so that women who live there do not have to travel vast distances to obtain abortions.
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Morgentaler killed unborn babies in large numbers and was actually awarded for maintaining his views. He received the Order of Canada "...for his commitment to increased health care options for women, his determined efforts to influence Canadian public policy and his leadership in humanist and civil liberties organizations" if I am not mistaken. So don't even bother spouting your personal views on what is right and what is wrong in this country dude.

All Mr Smitty believes is that he doesn't care whether someone's personal choice is to own Magazines accepting 5 rounds or 30.

If gun owners actually stuck together in any significant numbers, those same retards that want to jail him today would be chaining a medal around his neck. And the only reason the y would change their mind on this 'great social issue' is for fear of loss of voting support.

What I don't understand is WHY it all that you can do to chirp at people who maintain THEIR views on a ####e law with NO moral basis?


If you're gonna try and bring it against someone on a moral basis over a question of legislative compliance, get your s**t together first.
 
Airborn_69 said:
Doesn't matter the catastrophic event they're all SHTF moments and am not talking about Red Dawn either...

Have fun with your 12gauge shotgun, I'll be fine with my rifle and in that case we'll see who comes up on top of things. :cool:
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Hey, I do follow my own advice.

Remington 700 (30-06 - 180 gr federal)
Remington 870 wingmaster (12g/3 - 00 2-1/2 buckshot and slug)
Norc M305x2 (308 and an extra rifle for spare parts, plus one's built closer to a marksman rifle, 168 SMK and SGK)
Ruger 10/22 (.22LR - 40gr dynapoints, 2000+ rounds)
Norc 1911A1 (45 ACP - 230 gr lead nose flat point, and two boxes of federal 230 gr hollowpoints)

And I'll be adding both a VZ858 and AR15 or some other 5.56 rifle to the mix soon. And I've got enough ammo for each that if I had to grab just one gun and ammo type I wouldn't be too heartbroken about leaving the rest behind. My mentality is though that home should only be abandoned if absolutely neccessay. Plus the spare weaponry can be used for bartering other goods if needed.

Now if I had to choose only one, I'd probably go with the M305 or VZ858. But why limit yourself unless it's neccessary, hmm? :D
 
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