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Just noticed this yesterday - when I try to move the muzzle of my Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1, holding the rifle by the handguard, the muzzle seems loose, it moves up and down. One of my friends told me it's common with Enfields. What do you think? Is it the way it's supposed to be or something is wrong with the rifle? I bet it affects accuracy, couldn't get a single decent group with this rifle.

Comments appreciated.
 
There should be about 7 lbs upward pressure on the barrel at the muzzle. Yes, you can move the barrel away from the stock. If it is rattling loose, there is something wrong. The bushing on the front trigger guard screw could be too long.
 
A standard Remington 700 has 3 to 9 pounds of up pressure at the fore end tip, the No.4 Enfield is to have 2 to 7 pounds of up pressure at the fore end tip.(area “E” in bedding drawing below) Enfield rifles submitted to Holland and Holland for conversion to No.4 (T) sniper rifles were sent back to their owning organizations if the rifles did not have the required 2 to 7 pounds of up pressure.

At the top of the page you will find “Lee Enfield On-line Knowledge Libraries (Index of Articles)” from Badgers website, in Badgers libraries you will find the No.4 manuals that I donated to Badgers site. Read these Canadian Enfield manuals, they are the most current and up to date manuals on your Enfield rifle and were last printed in 2002.


1991 No.4 (All Marks) .303 Rifle Manuals (Complete Set)
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=3322

2002 No.4 (All Marks) .303 Rifle Manuals (Complete Set)
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=3314

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All the information in the world is written in books, and all you have to do is read.
Please visit the “Lee Enfield On-line Knowledge Libraries (Index of Articles)” and RTFM.

(Most people are overlooking this source of information at Badgers site) ;)

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When picking over a rack of potential #4 rifles to purchase, I always push the barel 9at the muzzle) up with my thumb. if it snaps back down, it is a "keeper". If it just wobbles around, it is no good.
 
Interesting, this may explain the crap accuracy of some of these rifles when their stocks are cut down by bubba.
 
Issued Enfield rifles were inspected by the Armourers four times per year, three mini visual inspections and one complete teardown inspection. The stocks were required to be oiled once per month with pure raw linseed oil (NOT BLO), during the yearly teardown inspection if needed the Armourer would place the stocks in a tank of hot raw linseed oil and let them soak.


The biggest problem that the Enfield rifles we have today is lack of TLC by an Armourer and monthly stock oiling with “RAW” linseed oil. Question, why do the fore stocks get “loose” and then shoot poorly, the photo of my back yard wooden deck explains our problem…………….wood shrinkage.

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Below is a photo showing 50 yard accuracy “before and after” shimming the draws area at the forward area of bedding point (A) and making the fore stock a tight snug fit again and eliminating the effects of wood scrinkage. A loose fore stock will cause the Enfield to string it shots vertically and a loose butt stock will string the shots horizontally.

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The following message was brought to you by the American Society for the prevention of cruelty to Canadian Enfield’s. :D

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The biggest problem that the Enfield rifles we have today is lack of TLC by an Armourer and monthly stock oiling with “RAW” linseed oil. Question, why do the fore stocks get “loose” and then shoot poorly, the photo of my back yard wooden deck explains our problem…………….wood shrinkage.


You see this all could have been prevented with truck bedliner. :D

Kidding aside, thanx for the great info.
Now I'm wondering how wood shrinkage effect other milsurps as well...but that's another topic.
 
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I was under the impression that raw linseed oil was simply a wartime expedient and that BLO was used both before and after the war.
 
Baal

You are correct, BUT real actual BLO is linseed oil that was boiled in a sealed container until the raw linseed oil was polymerized and formed long interconnecting molecular chains (plasticizing the oil) which strengthened it and made the oil more water proof.

PROBLEM, the majority of modern made BLO today is raw linseed oil that has not been boiled and just has resins added to thicken it and chemical driers added to speed drying. If you put modern BLO in a heated tank it would start to harden as it turned into a thick linseed oil jelly and it would not penetrate “into” the wood.

During the war the Enfield stocks were dipped in a tank of hot linseed oil during manufacture which filled the wood cell structure, if the linseed oil is not reapplied the oil dries out and the wood begins to shrink.

The old linseed adage for applying linseed oil to a new stock, Once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year and once a year for life.

Raw linseed oil will penetrate deeper into the wood rehydrating it and cause the wood to swell, and this swelling may be enough that shimming the stock will not be required. The problem is our Enfield stocks are as dry as a popcorn fart and need a good soaking in linseed oil. A wall paper wetting tray makes a good soaking tank and may prevent shortening the trigger guard bushing and shimming the fore stock.

Looking up the manufactures MSDS sheet for BLO will tell you if it is modern fake BLO or actual boiled linseed oil.

Below fake BLO with chemicals added that can make your genitalia fall off.

http://www.newparks.com/PDF/MSDS/SOLVENTS/BoiledLinseedOil.pdf


"Raw linseed oil is just that - linseed oil mercilessly squeezed from flax seed and packaged with no additional additives or preservatives. Raw linseed oil dries very slowly, taking weeks to fully cure. You should limit its use to the insides of wood gutters, chopping blocks, sawhorses, and other items exposed to the elements where drying time is not an important consideration.
Slow drying is a mixed blessing. For oil-based paints and varnishes, slow drying is a benefit, since this allows the paint to "level" itself, giving a smoother finish with fewer brush marks. The best looking paint jobs are invariably oil paint jobs, without question. However, when used as a wood preservative for items that are handled or walked on, such as tool handles, furniture, or wood decks, long drying times are undesirable. 100% Pure, this slow drying oil has multiple uses. It helps wood retain its natural moisture, aids in water repellency, retards cracking, checking and shrinking. Boiled linseed oil, though, is not boiled. The actual boiling of some varnish oils changes their drying characteristics. With linseed oil, though, it is the addition of certain solvents that causes linseed oil to dry more quickly, acting as if it were boiled. This makes it a better product for preserving tool handles, decks, and furniture. I suppose they should have named it "sort-of-boiled linseed oil", or "kinda-like-boiled-but-not-really-boiled linseed oil". Boiled Linseed Oil is used as a natural wood finish and preservative, either alone or with other oils and solvents. Mixed with oil based paints and varnishes, it increases gloss and improves leveling and durability. A mixture of 2 parts boiled linseed oil to one part turpentine creates a semi-gloss wood polish for furniture. Can also be mixed with mineral spirits."


Real raw linseed oil and actual boiled linseed oil can be found in craft stores that sell material for oil painting.

Below left to right, raw linseed oil, boiled linseed oil and boiled linseed oil with resins and odorless paint thinner added. NOTE, none of the linseed oils below contain any toxic chemicals and can be applied with your bare hands.

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This is the stuff I've been using. I'm sure it's the wrong stuff, probably has all the chemical dryers in it etc. I did cut it with turpentine a while back.

Where to find the actual raw linseed oil in big enough quantity to make a dip tank for an Enfield forend, without breaking the bank?

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Baal

You are correct, BUT real actual BLO is linseed oil that was boiled in a sealed container until the raw linseed oil was polymerized and formed long interconnecting molecular chains (plasticizing the oil) which strengthened it and made the oil more water proof.

PROBLEM, the majority of modern made BLO today is raw linseed oil that has not been boiled and just has resins added to thicken it and chemical driers added to speed drying. If you put modern BLO in a heated tank it would start to harden as it turned into a thick linseed oil jelly and it would not penetrate “into” the wood.

During the war the Enfield stocks were dipped in a tank of hot linseed oil during manufacture which filled the wood cell structure, if the linseed oil is not reapplied the oil dries out and the wood begins to shrink.

The old linseed adage for applying linseed oil to a new stock, Once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year and once a year for life.

Raw linseed oil will penetrate deeper into the wood rehydrating it and cause the wood to swell, and this swelling may be enough that shimming the stock will not be required. The problem is our Enfield stocks are as dry as a popcorn fart and need a good soaking in linseed oil. A wall paper wetting tray makes a good soaking tank and may prevent shortening the trigger guard bushing and shimming the fore stock.

Looking up the manufactures MSDS sheet for BLO will tell you if it is modern fake BLO or actual boiled linseed oil.

Below fake BLO with chemicals added that can make your genitalia fall off.

http://www.newparks.com/PDF/MSDS/SOLVENTS/BoiledLinseedOil.pdf


"Raw linseed oil is just that - linseed oil mercilessly squeezed from flax seed and packaged with no additional additives or preservatives. Raw linseed oil dries very slowly, taking weeks to fully cure. You should limit its use to the insides of wood gutters, chopping blocks, sawhorses, and other items exposed to the elements where drying time is not an important consideration.
Slow drying is a mixed blessing. For oil-based paints and varnishes, slow drying is a benefit, since this allows the paint to "level" itself, giving a smoother finish with fewer brush marks. The best looking paint jobs are invariably oil paint jobs, without question. However, when used as a wood preservative for items that are handled or walked on, such as tool handles, furniture, or wood decks, long drying times are undesirable. 100% Pure, this slow drying oil has multiple uses. It helps wood retain its natural moisture, aids in water repellency, retards cracking, checking and shrinking. Boiled linseed oil, though, is not boiled. The actual boiling of some varnish oils changes their drying characteristics. With linseed oil, though, it is the addition of certain solvents that causes linseed oil to dry more quickly, acting as if it were boiled. This makes it a better product for preserving tool handles, decks, and furniture. I suppose they should have named it "sort-of-boiled linseed oil", or "kinda-like-boiled-but-not-really-boiled linseed oil". Boiled Linseed Oil is used as a natural wood finish and preservative, either alone or with other oils and solvents. Mixed with oil based paints and varnishes, it increases gloss and improves leveling and durability. A mixture of 2 parts boiled linseed oil to one part turpentine creates a semi-gloss wood polish for furniture. Can also be mixed with mineral spirits."


Real raw linseed oil and actual boiled linseed oil can be found in craft stores that sell material for oil painting.

Below left to right, raw linseed oil, boiled linseed oil and boiled linseed oil with resins and odorless paint thinner added. NOTE, none of the linseed oils below contain any toxic chemicals and can be applied with your bare hands.

linseedoils.jpg
 
Cantom, I'm using the same stuff with good results. I do believe, simply from its smell and behaviour, that it's either pure, or really close to pure.

Lee Valley sells even higher-grade stuff but it's not cheap!

Lou
 
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