OK sooo I did it it I finally saved saved saved and bought myself a swiss arms classic green...now I have about 1000 to spend on optics for this rifle ....any suggestions????? Iam not good at picking optics myself but I was thinking a Millett 1-4 DMS or a 6500 2.5x16x42 or 4200 1.25x24 ???? what do you think you guys have anything better in mind for my budget.
Perfect optics for swiss arms
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And you'll spend a lifetime of that.
But at $1000, you will have put THE premium dot sight in your tool set. In a year to two years, you can add an $1400-1800 quality 1.1-4x power MR optic and have the best of both worlds on a gun capable of use at ranges of 0-600m.
At that point, the shot dot will still be well worth its weight in gold.
But at $1000, you will have put THE premium dot sight in your tool set. In a year to two years, you can add an $1400-1800 quality 1.1-4x power MR optic and have the best of both worlds on a gun capable of use at ranges of 0-600m.
At that point, the shot dot will still be well worth its weight in gold.
Maybe a 1.5x5 MR/T? - It should fit in the budget, and is a decent scope.
In all honesty, if I was in your shoes and looking to a red dot, I'd stick it out with the irons and spend the money on .223 handloading equipment and components.
In all honesty, if I was in your shoes and looking to a red dot, I'd stick it out with the irons and spend the money on .223 handloading equipment and components.
To my way of thinking, one of the great values of the SAN/Sig is its fantastic durability.
You can put it away and it will work when you go to grab it.
The Aimpoint micro dot is optic counterpart to this value base. Takes a lickin' Keeps on tickin'
Turn it on. Shoot to correct or confirm Zero . Run it when you want to or need to. Then shelve it.
Next time it come out of the safe, the dot is already burning.
You can put it away and it will work when you go to grab it.
The Aimpoint micro dot is optic counterpart to this value base. Takes a lickin' Keeps on tickin'
Turn it on. Shoot to correct or confirm Zero . Run it when you want to or need to. Then shelve it.
Next time it come out of the safe, the dot is already burning.
Roughneck12
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Can you get the same accuracy at a distance with the AimDot as you can with a decent powered scope? I know the Classic is capable of precision shooting but I like cross hairs instead of a large dot and my tired old eyes like some zoom?
I've never had issues with the dot at 200m
Beyond (400m +) you are starting to guess holdover correction for trajectory. At 500m you are more or less using the force. But it is a dot sight for rapid, accurate close range fire.
Absolutely perfect for 200m and in.
Beyond (400m +) you are starting to guess holdover correction for trajectory. At 500m you are more or less using the force. But it is a dot sight for rapid, accurate close range fire.
Absolutely perfect for 200m and in.
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$779 at Daves. Mil/LE/Contractor likely take a discount on that.
For a Swiss Arms gun? They are fairly heavy as is. When I added a rail to my Carbine, it was high time to ditch the most excellent S&B Short dot for a Aimpoint T-1. Guns is now a normal weight for fast employment. I can always take the receiver rail off, but we're talking an ounce versus ~ a pound or so.
I had to decide what I want that gun to be. And its mfg. purpose screamed short range carbine.
$779 at Daves. Mil/LE/Contractor likely take a discount on that.
For a Swiss Arms gun? They are fairly heavy as is. When I added a rail to my Carbine, it was high time to ditch the most excellent S&B Short dot for a Aimpoint T-1. Guns is now a normal weight for fast employment. I can always take the receiver rail off, but we're talking an ounce versus ~ a pound or so.
I had to decide what I want that gun to be. And its mfg. purpose screamed short range carbine.
How can you be accurate at 200m with a 4moa dot? The T1`s dot will cover 8 to 10 inches at 200m depending on the brightness setting.
I find it hard to even see anything at 200m without magnification and no I do not use or need glasses
How can you be accurate at 200m with a 4moa dot? The T1`s dot will cover 8 to 10 inches at 200m depending on the brightness setting.
I find it hard to even see anything at 200m without magnification and no I do not use or need glasses
Minute of man to the chest all day long.
No problems there.
Roughneck12
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I was thinking minute of gopher at 200-300 yards.
I've been struggling with the Swiss Arms optics question for awhile too. As I was showing in the other recent thread on this topic, I had a 3x Acog Compact with with the red crosshairs on my 14.3" carbine, which is just a smokin' awesome combat gunsight, but it just wasn't really the optimum match for a Swiss.
Now the 3x ACOG Compact has gone over to an M4-type carbine (should have pics by the weekend), and I have gone back to the drawing board on the Swiss. I was seriously looking at the Aimpoint Micro for awhile, but the 4 MOA dot is a big concern for me. I have not tried it, but it just really seems like it would be "blobular" for the kind of shooting I like to do with the Swiss (beaning an orange clay at 100 yards, etc.). Crosshairs are nice, or some kind of really fine dot or chevron.
I think I will experiment with swapping an EOTech (1 MOA dot) from my 9mm AR onto my Swiss for awhile to see what that is like. Still, the Swiss is accurate at some considerable distance - would be nice to have some magnification. One of the ROs at my range uses the EOTech (the one with three 1 MOA dots) and a magnifier - but that is a lot of "clunk" on what is already a heavy gun. Same goes for an Aimpoint with a magnifier.
Optics for a Swiss are a bit of a conundrum. First a guy has to decide.. what have I got here? A close quarters guns, a mid-range, a 200 to 300 yard gun? I'm not sure I've even resolved that question in my mind yet... so back to the irons it is.
As a bit of a different take on this... I've recently found that I have no problem beaning the little 230 yard gong at PoCo with my $600 VZ58, bone stock, with the irons. Sometimes just focusing on shooting is probably more productive than focusing on gear. I lose sight of that sometimes.
Having said that, if I could find a low mounted optic in the 4-6x range that was a great mate for the Swiss, that would make me happy.
By the way, what does the actual Swiss Army do? Do they just have everyone shoot irons - unless you are a designated marksman or spec ops? And what do the marksmen and the spec ops use?
Now the 3x ACOG Compact has gone over to an M4-type carbine (should have pics by the weekend), and I have gone back to the drawing board on the Swiss. I was seriously looking at the Aimpoint Micro for awhile, but the 4 MOA dot is a big concern for me. I have not tried it, but it just really seems like it would be "blobular" for the kind of shooting I like to do with the Swiss (beaning an orange clay at 100 yards, etc.). Crosshairs are nice, or some kind of really fine dot or chevron.
I think I will experiment with swapping an EOTech (1 MOA dot) from my 9mm AR onto my Swiss for awhile to see what that is like. Still, the Swiss is accurate at some considerable distance - would be nice to have some magnification. One of the ROs at my range uses the EOTech (the one with three 1 MOA dots) and a magnifier - but that is a lot of "clunk" on what is already a heavy gun. Same goes for an Aimpoint with a magnifier.
Optics for a Swiss are a bit of a conundrum. First a guy has to decide.. what have I got here? A close quarters guns, a mid-range, a 200 to 300 yard gun? I'm not sure I've even resolved that question in my mind yet... so back to the irons it is.
As a bit of a different take on this... I've recently found that I have no problem beaning the little 230 yard gong at PoCo with my $600 VZ58, bone stock, with the irons. Sometimes just focusing on shooting is probably more productive than focusing on gear. I lose sight of that sometimes.
Having said that, if I could find a low mounted optic in the 4-6x range that was a great mate for the Swiss, that would make me happy.
By the way, what does the actual Swiss Army do? Do they just have everyone shoot irons - unless you are a designated marksman or spec ops? And what do the marksmen and the spec ops use?
How can you be accurate at 200m with a 4moa dot? The T1`s dot will cover 8 to 10 inches at 200m depending on the brightness setting.
I find it hard to even see anything at 200m without magnification and no I do not use or need glasses
The Micro is sold as a 4 MOA dot but is closer to a 3 MOA dot.
There was also a batch made with a 2 MOA dot for a specific military contract.
