CZ 97 for IPSC or IDPA

Sorry zibam missed that post. Your frame as made the same year as mine. Wish I knew where the extra oz came from. Yours is legal mine unfortunately is not. I will weigh the frame and slide and compare with your breakdown on the cz forum and see if I can find where the difference lies. I won't take it down to the steps you did.

Take Care

Bob
 
Your gun, unlike every other 97B I have seen makes weight. Great. Odd that it weighs less than the published factory weight but it does and you certainly can use it in IDPA. As you are aware or should be IDPA, unlike IPSC, does not maintain an approved handgun list. Guns are weighed at sanctioned matches and must meet the division weight limits. Because your gun makes weight doesn't automatically make every 97B legal.

I have a CZ SP-01 Shadow that now makes weight. The Shadow, out of the box, is too heavy. Just because mine now makes weight doesn't make every Shadow legal. You have to replace parts to get it to that weight. I did and now it does.

I'll weigh my gun in parts as you did and we should be able to find out where the difference is. 70 odd grams ought to be rather easy to spot.

Take Care

Bob
ps Your 97B should do well in CDP.
 
z1bam

I weighed my gun and here are the differences:

Frame (Grips attached) 524gr vs 517gr
Slide inc slide stop, barrel and Bushing 516gr vs 478gr
Mag 100gr vs 95 gr.

Total weight 1140 vs 1087

Difference 53 grs.

I took your totals from your post on the CZ Forum.

My gun weighs in at 40.2 oz or 1140 gr only 10 gr. lighter than the published weight on the CZUB web site of 1150gr. Yours plays mine doesn't.

Does your gun still have the firing pin block in it? Just a guess on my part but that might account for the weight difference.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Difference 53 grs.

Does your gun still have the firing pin block in it? Just a guess on my part but that might account for the weight difference.

Take Care

Bob
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No, the gun still has the firingpin block in it. Maybe different machining processes on the slides if they were manufactured at a different date then they were assembled/stamped? or was this a pistol destined for the states orginally and there are differences there because my pistol is close in weight to the US sites listed weight 1087gr vs 1088

Canuck44 said:
Your gun, unlike every other 97B I have seen makes weight. Great. Odd that it weighs less than the published factory weight but it does and you certainly can use it in IDPA
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Just to be clear, do you retract your statement you made previously to me in the PM where you stated my gun did not make weight and I would not be able to use the pistol indicating I would not allowed to weigh the gun at a match and be subject to you 'decision' on my CZ's eligibility?
 
"Just to be clear, do you retract your statement you made previously to me in the PM where you stated my gun did not make weight and I would not be able to use the pistol indicating I would not allowed to weigh the gun at a match and be subject to you 'decision' on my CZ's eligibility?"

Do you want me to post the entire PM? That which is bolded never appeared in my PM to you.

Your gun does make weight, yes that is my mistake and I errored in my PM to you when I suggested otherwise. Since it does you certainly are able to use it in IDPA and likely in CDP where the gun would be very competitive. You might get questioned IF the MD is aware of the weight issue with 97B's but a scale would confirm your gun is legal.

As to guns shipped to the US I doubt CZ makes two versions of the gun. I do know CZUSA shaves weight off of their CZ Custom guns by lightening the slide (I had one of their representatives offer that service to me when I ws attempting to reduce the weight of my Shadow) so who knows how or why the difference in weight from that published by CZUB. Best to ask Angus Hobdell.

Clearly your gun is legal but I would not suggest to anyone that all 97B's make weight. Yours is the first I know of. It really only becomes an issue if guns are weighed at a Sanction Match or a local club decides to weigh guns at their matches. Any gun weighing over an ounce heavier than the division maximum is not going to pass.

Hopefully we will see a major change in the rule book regarding full length dustcovers with the pending rulebook revision. I would not pin a lot of hopes on it but hope does spring eternal and god knows the Area Coordinators have made our wishes known.

Take Care & Good Shooting

Bob
 
Gee...can't we all just get along. :)

z1bam....do you think you have kicked Bob around enough yet?? I don't know how many times he has to say your gun is apparently good to go?

One thing I do know is, it is a chicken#### move to post a PM or part of a PM on an open thread. What part of Private Message do you not understand???

Not cool Dude!

John
 
John in B.C. said:
Gee...can't we all just get along. :)

z1bam....do you think you have kicked Bob around enough yet?? I don't know how many times he has to say your gun is apparently good to go?

One thing I do know is, it is a chickens**t move to post a PM or part of a PM on an open thread. What part of Private Message do you not understand???

Not cool Dude!

John
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I'll post a PM when someone makes two contradictory statements in less than five minutes... one public one indicating the gun is okay if it makes weight and then another telling me privately it does not make weight and I cannot use it. Is that chickens**t?
 
"I'll post a PM when someone makes two contradictory statements in less than five minutes... one public one indicating the gun is okay if it makes weight and then another telling me privately it does not make weight and I cannot use it. Is that chickens**t?"

What is chicken s**t is you misquoting me.

Her is my PM to you. Tell me where I say if it makes weight you still can't use it.

"Hi

Your gun weighs to much. Sorry but it does. I have tried to get mine under the 39 oz and I no of no way to get it down.

There is a new rule book coming out this fall with some changes and we hope HQ will revisit the dustcover rule. Until changes are made we are stuck with the rules that are in place.

There was no need for the sarcasm in your post. I simply used my title to make sure other readers don't get the impression using data from a web site is the way weights are determined. Too, I didn't want you to think you were getting heresay commentary."

As I indictaed to you I was in error when I said your gun doesn't make weight clearly YOURS does.

You obviously have some kind of burr in your a$$.

You quoted CZUSA web site. Well it doesn't matter what some web site says or doesn't say. The gun being weighed must make weight. Yours does so rejoice and shoot it. Just don't go off stating because CZUSA quotes a weight that all 97B's are legal or because yours does, all do. They all don't. The guns are legal IF they make weight at 39 oz. or less. CZUB the manufacturer of the gun claims a weight of 1150 gr how CZUSA comes up with a lessor weight might be of interest though from the above it really doesn't matter.

FYI USPSA quotes the guns weight to be 40.7oz. for their Production Gun List. You are indeed fortunate to have such a light gun. Enjoy.

Take Care

Bob
 
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z1bam said:
I'll post a PM when someone makes two contradictory statements in less than five minutes... one public one indicating the gun is okay if it makes weight and then another telling me privately it does not make weight and I cannot use it. Is that chickens**t?
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Yes it is.

PM = Private Message

Remember that.

John
 
John in B.C. said:
Gee...can't we all just get along. :)

z1bam....do you think you have kicked Bob around enough yet?? I don't know how many times he has to say your gun is apparently good to go?

One thing I do know is, it is a chickens**t move to post a PM or part of a PM on an open thread. What part of Private Message do you not understand???

Not cool Dude!

John
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I agree 100%.

Why can't you just not leave it alone now? According to your scale, your gun makes weight, what is the problem? All I see here is you continueing to run at Bob, enough now, go shoot and be merry, he has appologized and acknowledged that your gun makes weight, what more do you want from him?

But like was said already, you seem to be the only CZ97 owner with one that will make weight, because the 2 I weighed last night after reading this do not either make weight.

Again, shoot and be merry, and as for PM's, they are just that PRIVATE, why not leave them that way!

Oh and when it comes to IDPA in Canada, yes Bob is like the Prime Minister, that is why he is the Canadian Area Coordinator, and I can assure you your childish, newbie comment of calling him a Liberal is anything but true, he is anything but as anyone who knows him will attest to.
 
Thanks all for the input, like I said this is a learning thing for me. So my next questions after reading all this is what is this about a dust cover on the 97 and others I assume. What are you talking about and what is the problems with/with out them in IDPA?
 
tbooker said:
Thanks all for the input, like I said this is a learning thing for me. So my next questions after reading all this is what is this about a dust cover on the 97 and others I assume. What are you talking about and what is the problems with/with out them in IDPA?
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Guns with full length dustcovers must weigh 39oz or less, the division maximum weight for SSP to compete in IDPA. If they do meet all requirements for SSP the guns can play in either ESP or CDP. The latter division is limited to .45acp chambered guns only. Guns weighing more than 39 oz with full length dustcovers are not allowed in SSP, ESP or CDP.

In order for the 97B to compete it must weigh in at under 39oz, most don't, one at least does. The weight limits are gun specific so just because one does, doesn't mean all will or do.

Take Care

Bob
 
That's fine I understand that the 97 may or may not meet weight as it comes. My questions was with the dust covers, I am not sure what your are taking about and how the new rule poposals will change this. What is a full length dust cover?
 
Well don't assume there will be a chnage in the rules this fall regarding dustcovers. Some of the Area Coordinators ahve asked for it to be reviewd but none of us know at this time whether or not it will be.

Here is a picture of my Shadow with a full length dustcover.

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Note the bottom portion of the gun and how the metal extends out to the end of the barrel.

Here is a picture of my 85 Combat.

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You can see where the metal in front of the trigger guard only extends towards the barrel about an inch and a bit on the 85C.

The additional metal adds weight to the front end of the gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Thanks Bob I think that clears it up. How will the new rules change this? Are the wights being increased or what will change to allow the 97 to play. I realize it is if the new rules go through.
 
tbooker said:
Thanks Bob I think that clears it up. How will the new rules change this? Are the wights being increased or what will change to allow the 97 to play. I realize it is if the new rules go through.
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Let me make it clear I have no idea what the new rule changes, if any, will be. I am hoping HQ will review this section of the rule book but as of this date we simply do not know what the changes will be. I have heard one area that may change is the weight limit for CDP, we shall see.

We anticipate a new rule book will be out before Christmas once this years shooting season is completed.

Take Care

Bob
 
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