M&p15-22

[mrsmitty]

Damn you. You just made me even more angry that the crown appealed the courts decision.

 

[Soli]

Here's the other 22lr rifle that is on everyones wishlist,the GSG-5, which only costs $529 at Green Mountain Guns where I handled it,unfortunately that's in Lakewood Colorado.

 

[MrSchultz]

that looks like a beefy 22 !!

 

[JohnC]

Damn you. You just made me even more angry that the crown appealed the courts decision.

what decision?

 

[Paul Morrison]

R. v. Henderson, a case in which an Ontario judge determined a firearm that looked like an AK-47 was NOT a variant of the AK-47.

 

[JohnC]

Thanks Paul. , and its being appealed Did it involve the VZ 58 or 858?

 

[cpynch]

Mr. Maarten Kramers
Chief Firearms Officer
Department of Justice
5151 Terminal Road, Ground Floor
Halifax, Nova Scotia
B3J 2L6
Tel: (902) 424-1712
FAX: (902) 424-4308

Mr. Kramers just ASSURED me that the M&P15-22 was NON RESTRICTED due to the fact that the Upper receiver cannot be swapped to make this center fire rifle.

Order away!

 

[krausb]

That's great news!!!!!! Has the FRT# been issued yet?

 

[JohnC]

Mr. Maarten Kramers
Chief Firearms Officer
Department of Justice
5151 Terminal Road, Ground Floor
Halifax, Nova Scotia
B3J 2L6
Tel: (902) 424-1712
FAX: (902) 424-4308

Mr. Kramers just ASSURED me that the M&P15-22 was NON RESTRICTED due to the fact that the Upper receiver cannot be swapped to make this center fire rifle.

Order away!

excellent news!. ( except for my wallet ) Now to find a dealer ...

 

[Weapontech]

R. v. Henderson, a case in which an Ontario judge determined a firearm that looked like an AK-47 was NOT a variant of the AK-47.

Wow, first I've heard of this.....
So, this recent ruling will obviously have significant ramifications for anything that only "looks" like a prohibited firearm.
Hmmmm, being appealed you say?

 

[cpynch]

That's great news!!!!!! Has the FRT# been issued yet?

That, I'm not sure of.

 

[krausb]

That, I'm not sure of.

That will be the final word. I'm not going to get to excited (I'd be lying if I said I wasn't already excited by this news ) about the status of this gun until once the FRT# is issued and it is officially official.

 

[Paul Morrison]

So, this recent ruling will obviously have significant ramifications for anything that only "looks" like a prohibited firearm.
Hmmmm, being appealed you say?

The case involved an Armi-Jaeger that was cosmetically similar to an AK.

The case is under appeal (I talked to the courthouse yesterday).

I think Chris from CanAm got the court house to fax him the appeal documents. I'm hopefully going to look them over. If I come up with anything interesting I may have to call every "henderson" in the phone book to track the guy down. We need to win this appeal, and any subsequent ones.

 

[Weapontech]

The case involved an Armi-Jaeger that was cosmetically similar to an AK.
.....We need to win this appeal, and any subsequent ones.

Thanks Paul, and I agree completely with the need to win any appeal.

I am curious however; but what was the judges' original decision based-on? I'd be interested as to what precidences/references he used to reach his initial decision of the ARMI NOT being a varient. I would think that information would be instrumental in determining if the courts would support an appeal, or not?

 

[Paul Morrison]

The original decision is on canlii as R. v. Henderson (2009), from july 31st I believe.

You can read it and see all the cited authorities. He mostly used a dictionary, Hasselwander and the principles of statutory interpretation.

I'm curious to see their reasons on appeal. It might be interesting. I really want to chat with this henderson fellow!

 

[Donny Fenn1]

IMO it's the same as driving a car, do it responsibly you keep the privledge. Act like an ass, lose the privledge. You need a licence to drive because it's potentially dangerous, so are firearms. That's why I see it as a privledge.

this is my favorite argument ever.
why? because i have been driving since i was 12. cars, trucks, vans, grain trucks, 5th wheels, swathers, bobcats, motorcycles you get the picture?
no license.
how? because it was on our land.

if the powers that be want to treat guns like cars, i'm fine with that, as soon as they take my license/registration fees and start building me ranges and shooting facilities just like they do with cars

in the meantime on private land i get to do what i want, and i want to shoot a BREN gun.....

 

[Starscream]

Mr. Maarten Kramers
Chief Firearms Officer
Department of Justice
5151 Terminal Road, Ground Floor
Halifax, Nova Scotia
B3J 2L6
Tel: (902) 424-1712
FAX: (902) 424-4308

Mr. Kramers just ASSURED me that the M&P15-22 was NON RESTRICTED due to the fact that the Upper receiver cannot be swapped to make this center fire rifle.

Order away!

Did you get that in writing (also ask him for permission to distribute the document)?

 

[JohnC]

just read the decision.

interesting that the judge stated that what made a firearm dangerous to the public was the full auto feature.

 

[Paul Morrison]

interesting that the judge stated that what made a firearm dangerous to the public was the full auto feature.

No, what he said was what made a PROHIBITED firearm 'dangerous to the public' was the full auto feature.

 

[JohnC]

No, what he said was what made a PROHIBITED firearm 'dangerous to the public' was the full auto feature.

oops! I stand corrected thanks but if we can use this to mean that non-full auto means ia firearm shouldn't be prohibited this should be quite helpful