Shoot Restricted on my own property?

Ouch.
What are range fees like around there?

When I got my restricted I made the mistake of joining the in-town range at $350/year, I didn't know there was a club with a range just outside of town for $70/year
 
they aren't too bad...forget off hand the exact numbers, but I think it was around 150 for the year, that's with the 40$ or so for a CSSA membership as well. there's a 25 yard outdoor handgun range, 100 yard rifle, trap and a 20 yard indoor range that we can hit up 24/7. All in all it offers everything I need.
 
I joined Oshawa Skeet and Gun club. $250/year plus initiation fee. I guess they're not for profit and run by they're members, so noones in a hurry to get me my ATT. No offence to the range and the directors. ( I just want to get this done in a timely matter and shoot).
 
I'm looking at joining there shortly too as I'm moving to whitby in a couple weeks. If there's anything I've learned about owning a restricted firearm, it's that nothing happens quickly. When I finally got everything done at the club, the CFO lost my application so that was another wait to get it sorted out. From the time I took the RPAL course to the time I had my ATT in hand was 9 months...
 
What my club recommended (and what I did) was to take the local club's course 1st, then (use that knowledge) to write the challenge for my R-PAL. Overall took about 6+ months before I could finally shoot at a range. Similar as well was that I had purchased several handguns (after my r-pal arrived) that sat at home waiting (impatiently as they really wanted to be used) forever for the ATT to arrive for Ontario approved ranges.

A.B.Ames

P.S. I think our fees are about 130 to 150 a year (can't remember exactly) (includes CSSA and such fees), it's a small club (Dryden Rifle & Pistol Club) with joined 100, 50 (PPC area), and 20 yarders.
 
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Thanks guys. I joined a range before I bought my first Restricted. ( Had to, being in Ont. and all) Its been 6 weeks and the range hasn't called me for the ATT course. I've called numerous times, been up there to see them about it 3 times and sent various e-mails. I can buy, I can store, but I can't really do anything else. Very expensive paper weights at the moment. I'm getting very frusterated. What do I do?

just an FYI, you don't NEED to be a member of a club in Ontario to get your restricted licence or buy restricteds (although, you'll have no where to shoot them), alls the CFC asks is "are you a member of a club...(answer), no, but i am considering ### (insert any club name hear), thats all they need. i did this when i got my restricted, then had 12 pistols transferred to me, before ever joining a club.
 
just an FYI, you don't NEED to be a member of a club in Ontario to get your restricted licence or buy restricteds (although, you'll have no where to shoot them), alls the CFC asks is "are you a member of a club...(answer), no, but i am considering ### (insert any club name hear), thats all they need. i did this when i got my restricted, then had 12 pistols transferred to me, before ever joining a club.


True, but isn't it so that you can't get an ATT to go to Ontario clubs till you are a member of at least one? If so then you can buy and sell but never shoot (legally)?

A.B.Ames
 
I've tried to read most of it, but I haven't seen that. Some people cite section 17 17 which requires an ATT to leave the dwelling house. That's not forbidding discharge inside or from the dwelling house.

Criminal Code

86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

I'm pretty sure the cops (and judges) are gonna take this scenario as being 'careless use' of a firearm. Even if you are firing from your house into a constructed range on your property, you can't guarantee that your rounds will end up where you intend them to go. The only way that can happen is if you are in a specially constructed indoor range.

Just pay the fees to go to the range like the rest of us... I'd like to shoot my pistols on my own property too, but it just ain't gonna happen.
 
Criminal Code

86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

I'm pretty sure the cops (and judges) are gonna take this scenario as being 'careless use' of a firearm. Even if you are firing from your house into a constructed range on your property, you can't guarantee that your rounds will end up where you intend them to go. The only way that can happen is if you are in a specially constructed indoor range.

Just pay the fees to go to the range like the rest of us... I'd like to shoot my pistols on my own property too, but it just ain't gonna happen.

That's like saying hunting is dangerous because it's not on a range. The loop hole is there I don't know of anyone that has tested it but given that you are in an area where you are allowed to discharge then it should be fine just don't do anything stupid.

This has been discussed over and over again check the legalese there was a couple topics on it not to long ago maybe a few pages in.
 
DO NOT TRY IT AT HOME_________ be so clear that it is restricted and cannot be legally discharged ____PERIOD. Tried and tested it and got siezed along with other charges those comes naturally. It stays at home and can be shot only at designated range , not worth taking a chace.
 
DO NOT TRY IT AT HOME_________ be so clear that it is restricted and cannot be legally discharged ____PERIOD. Tried and tested it and got siezed along with other charges those comes naturally. It stays at home and can be shot only at designated range , not worth taking a chace.

I don't think it gets much clearer than that. Don't shoot restricteds except at ranges.
 
The Ontario CFO just announced this summer that private ranges must now meet the SAME requirements as club ranges.

Also, if you want a private range, you will also have to get the written permission of your municipality. That usually means they will notify all your neighbours and vote on it in a council (or planning committee) meeting.
 
I am not aware of the specific federal law or regulation of what limits you such that you can not discharge a restricted firearm on private properly. Only that which restricted your ability to transport it, and the only place you can get permission to transport it to and from is an approved range.

If someone can specify where I can actually read the regulations on USE of restricted firearms, not storage, transport or display I'd like to read up some more.

If on you need a CFO approved range, the following links provide most of the information you need, but you'll still need to actually talk to your CFO's office about it. There are probably also additional rules/regulations/restrictions etc required by your province, county or municipality.

Shooting Clubs and Shooting Ranges Regulations (SOR/98-212)
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cr/SOR-98-212///en

Range Design and Construction Guidelines (9MB PDF)
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/club/const_guide/RangeDesign/RDCG/RangeDesignConstructionGuidelines.pdf

Shooting Ranges and Sound (1MB PDF)
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/club/snd_guide/SRAS/ShootingRangesSound.pdf

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I personally know of an individual (a friend of many years) who owns a large detached house here in the city that has a very sophisticated basement range that he set up & sound proofed on his own. It is very well ventilated with forced air electric fans. The backstop is a double layer of 3/8" heavy steel plate from floor to ceiling & the ceiling directly over the target frames is 3/8" steel plate to stop deflected bullets........in other words superior safety infrastructure than most "approved" ranges.

I believe he restricts his shooting to soft lead bullets from.22 LR firearms only including one pistol & a couple of revolvers.

You can't hear the shots from outside the home when the range is in use.

I don't know how this jives with the gun laws, the CFO, & municipal "no discharge of firearms" ordinances & didn't ask him & don't really care (it's his home & castle).:confused:

I believe his motto is out of sight (& earshot)....... out of mind & most of his friends & neighbors have never visited nor have even seen his indoor range & never will.

The restricted guns shot at the indoor range are always within the walls of the "place of registration".
 
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