Help! Primer stuck sideways in case...

I took an old milk carton (500ml) and filled it with water. I put any damaged primers I had in that and just left it on a shelf. I never really had any need to throw it out and every once in a while I'd make another deposit. After 6 months or so, the water looked pretty rusty.....from the cup metal I guess. When I moved I tossed it in the regular garbage and didn't hear any complaints from the garbage guys.
 
I have the same problem everytime I use the Autoprime. I would guess about once every 200 to 400 cases.

I have a small screw driver on my bench for prying the primer out. Very little chance of setting off the primer, since it take shock to do it.
 
Ganderite said:
I have the same problem everytime I use the Autoprime. I would guess about once every 200 to 400 cases.

I have a small screw driver on my bench for prying the primer out. Very little chance of setting off the primer, since it take shock to do it.
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I've been advised that primers can detonate from friction as well
 
Hmm. Fair enough. I've never had this problem before, but then again, I guess I've only loaded around 600 cases so far. Clearly, I need to shoot more :)
 
Last year I put some primed empties in a dish of water. Left them overnight and the next morning fired them in a rifle.
They all went off with a healthy crack. Forget now the kinds I used.
Saw Kroll mentioned, so down to the basement and try them. Took a bottle cap, put three primers in it and covered them with Kroll. After five to seven minutes, seated them in a case, then fired them in a Marlin.
CCI 200------ crack
CCI 250------ CRACK
Fed 210------ crack

They all fired, as shown. Now I really don't know if the lessor noise from the two standard primers was because of partial deterioration, or because they had less power than the magnum.
Any of the three would have fired a charge of powder, in any case.
 
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well having had a few thousand primers sit underwater for a couple days, and then work fine after air drying them, I'd say water does nothing to them.
that being the case, a primer going off when punched out is not a big deal. gloves and safety glasse are all you need if you're really concerned (glasses are always a good idea).
as for the duds once removed, I save mine, put them in a small jar or tube, and either burn them or shoot them, depending on the excitement level I am seeking.
 
Primer test. Attempt to deactivate primers over a 5 day period. Test primers were Winchester Large Rifle. Cases were primed 30-06 brass. Treatment was done by partially filling the cases with each fluid, then placing the cases in a 50 round plastic Dillon ammon box . I treated the primers at 12:00 noon Central time, then conducted a firing test each day at 12:00 noon. One set of 5 cases every 24 hours until complete.
Treatment Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5
Untreated Normal Normal Normal Normal Normal
Liquid Wrench Weak Weak Weak Weak Strong
WD-40 Weak Weak Weak Weak Strong
Rem Oil Weak Weak Weak Weak Weak
Dillon Case Lube Very Weak Very Weak Weak Weak Weak
Tap Water Very Weak Strong Extreemly Weak Dead Dead
Alcohol Very Weak Very Weak Weak Weak Very Weak
Kroil Weak Weak Weak Weak Weak


http://ww w.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/primer.cfm
Lead tri-nitro-resorcinate
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_styphnate
Sodium carbonate
ht tp://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=16
ht tp://chemicalland21.com/industrialchem/inorganic/SODIUM%20BICARBONATE.htm
Sodium carbonate looks to be the neutralizing agent that chemically recommended by a quick web search that’s found in most detergents.
I suggest we try the theory.


Driller
 
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wild1 said:
Small rifle primers buy any chance? I have loaded about 400 rounds of .308 and never had a primer issue. I started reloaded 223 for the first time today and had a crapload of primers start sideways. I have learned not to force anything so the primer came out easy but I had to start moving the primer up before I inserted the shell to make sure it wasnt feeding sideways.
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I'm sure I asking a stupid question but, you guys ARE swapping out the large primer seater stem for the small one, right? Reason I'm asking is mine has been trouble-free for 1000's of primers , big or small. I assumed they all were. Maybe not?
 
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I'm sure I asking a stupid question but, you guys ARE swapping out the large primer seater stem for the small one, right? Reason I'm asking is mine has been trouble-free for 1000's of primers , big or small. I assumed they all were. Maybe not?
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I agree with you there, I've never inccured any issues installing primers either.
I do prep the pockets and pay close attention to the process details where others may need a little more mentoring.
Good to see your still watching the forum keeping me on my toes.

Drilling
 
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I agree with you there, I've never inccured any issues installing primers either.
I do prep the pockets and pay close attention to the process details where others may need a little more mentoring.
Good to see your still watching the forum keeping me on my toes.

Drilling
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I have had a few go in sidways with the Lee Primer and the correct tray. I just pushed the crushed primer out with my neck sizing die.
 
CyaN1de said:
I have had a few go in sidways with the Lee Primer and the correct tray. I just pushed the crushed primer out with my neck sizing die.
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I hear you but whether or not the primer should be neutralized first or not, really depends on how daring one feels that day.
I've heard and read all kinds of detonation stories so it's more of a clarification procedures then anything else.
It goes along with hang fires, squibs or getting your gun barrel filled with snow or mud.
Just Do's and Don’ts.
:)

Driller
 
I've been reloading since about 1992. I'm not the most gentle bull in the china shop and I've squished, squashed, poked and abused primers almost every way imaginable. To date, I've had zero primers go off decapping live primers, squished or otherwise, and a grand total of 1 primer go off while seating. And that one felt normal up until it popped.

I have never once felt the urge to deactivate a primer, except to shoot it.
 
I have never once felt the urge to deactivate a primer, except to shoot it.

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I've squish the odd case neck in my time seating bullets. I've always been able to pull it and reused the powder and bullet and the casing is generally fubared and won't chamber to pop it. It’s just a savvy thing to know for all us bulls in Chinatown.

Driller
 
joe-nwt said:
I've been reloading since about 1992. I'm not the most gentle bull in the china shop and I've squished, squashed, poked and abused primers almost every way imaginable. To date, I've had zero primers go off decapping live primers, squished or otherwise, and a grand total of 1 primer go off while seating. And that one felt normal up until it popped.

I have never once felt the urge to deactivate a primer, except to shoot it.
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Joe, I am with you, too. I have never felt the need to try and deactivate a primer, either and I have pushed lots of damaged primers out.
My sole reason for doing some of tests, was just to see if they worked. I generally found they didn't work, water, oil and kroll. So people thinking they deactivate were probably just fooling themselves.
 
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