Rude land owners. Here we go again.

[RoscoeT]

It's funny. The stranger asks if he can hunt geese on his field, farmer says no and stranger thinks that was rude.
The stranger probably lives in some organized subdivision. Is he always polite to a stranger knocking on his door and asking for something?

Uh, I get told "no" now and then. I'm not a crybaby.

My point was that when I usually get told no, it's in a civil, conversational way. Not a slammed door.

His right but does not make it right.

Am I almost always polite to people asking for something. Yeah, usually I don't slam the door in the girl guides faces.
And those people do want something... Money.

This guy could have said yes, went back to whatever he was doing and not given it a second thought. It's almost like the neighbour kids getting their ball out of my yard. They are not asking for anything from me. Just my permission to access my land, rather than trespassing.

or

This guy could have done what most "no" folks say... "Sorry, I don't allow hunting". To which I answer, "okay, thanks for your time, sorry to bother you, enjoy the rest of your day sir."

A thread like this always bring out a landowner or twenty that will talk about people from the city like second class citizens.

"How dare they expect us to be courteous to strangers? I mean they have the nerve to ask if they can actually walk onto my land."

 

[trevj]

What? Must be an Alberta specific rule... sure isn't the case in Ontario.

Like the "charging for access" issue, it IS a Provincial difference. In SK you could not charge for access. That didn't stop folks from telling you "Nope. Promised so and so that they could have sole access!" Whether it was a family member, or some guy from Texas, the landowner has that right still.

In Moose Jaw, when I lived there, there were a couple locals that claimed crop damage money (separate from the Crop Insurance) that was available through the Provincial Government. These same folks refused to allow any hunting on their properties, and were pretty quick to phone the fishcops if someone was there. One of the fellas that was on the local Fish and Game Club board was also a member of the board that disbursed the funds for the Damage fund, and he had a chat with the owners, about the merits of utilizing the resources that were available for free (hunters, granting permission) and how an outright refusal to allow someone to shoot the deer, and then testifying that the damage merited a payout, seemed a lot unreasonable, and that it would feature prominently in the discussions at the meeting when the issue was to be determined and payouts set. He phrased it along the lines of "If I hear of one guy getting turned away when he asks..."

Posting your land has different implications, by province, as well. A No Trespassing sign pretty much covers it all, though. Some places, if you post No Hunting, you cannot hunt either, others, you can, depending on the way the regs are written.

I've had a total stranger come aboard me for being on private property with a gun. He didn't take well to being told to get the #### off my property, either. Being as he was a secondhand friend to another family members friend... Some of the locks got changed. That guy didn't get to fish there anymore.

I've had pretty good luck asking for permission. Got some good leads from the folks, as far as local intel goes, too. I can see it varying a lot if there are a lot of slob hunters around, or simply if there was a steady flow of guys asking.

As to how cranky the guy was. Whatever. He is in his house, on his land. He's allowed. It's pretty much all that's left, as far as stuff goes that you don't already have laws or regulations covering.

At least, I have not heard that one now must be sweetness and light to total strangers that come to my door.

I suggest getting over it would be the best course of action. Maybe dig up a hurt feelings report and file it somewhere. Need a tissue?

Cheers
Trev

 

[trevj]

A thread like this always bring out a landowner or twenty that will talk about people from the city like second class citizens.

"How dare they expect us to be courteous to strangers? I mean they have the nerve to ask if they can actually walk onto my land."

Naw. It brings out the landowners that have had to deal with too many second and third class "citizens" that have dicked them around too many times.

The Citizens with a bit of class that actually do ask permission, some of them end up getting the fallout of the Land Owner's prior problems. It happens.

Lesse. Cattle chased by guys in trucks, fences cut or rammed, fields torn up by yobs in 4x4's, trash and garbage left in the fields, carcasses just left (not critters that were wounded and died, either). Holes shot in stuff. Bales destroyed by guys digging arrows out of them. I've seen all that, some on the family property, some on the properties that I was allowed to hunt on. I'm surprised at how many Land Owners actually do take it on faith that most of the folk that may hunt on their property will do so responsibly, and have not yet resorted to signage.

Cheers
Trev

 

[Bowie]

just a note, you cannot post "no hunting" and then go hunting on the land yourself

you can post "no hunting without permission" then your good to go.

you own the land not the wild game that lives there.

Can you provide a legal reference for this info? I believe you can hunt your own land regardless of what signage you have up. It is, of course, your own land.

 

[Claybuster]

This guy could have done what most "no" folks say... "Sorry, I don't allow hunting". To which I answer, "okay, thanks for your time, sorry to bother you, enjoy the rest of your day sir."

A thread like this always bring out a landowner or twenty that will talk about people from the city like second class citizens.

"How dare they expect us to be courteous to strangers? I mean they have the nerve to ask if they can actually walk onto my land."

Perhaps he was just fed up with his busy day being interrupted by people asking if they could hunt his land.

It is odd how some urban dwellers think it's their right to wander up to random farm houses and ask if they can hunt there and then get their panties in a knot when they aren't treated with the courtesy they expect.

I wonder what the reaction would be if a farmer wandered into a city neighbourhood and asked homeowners if he could sit in their backyards for an afternoon. I'll bet he'd get lots of courteous replies.

Some farmer was rude to you. Boo hoo. Get over it.

 

[jody_v]

The point is the landowner does not own the wild game, or for that mater the subsurface minerals. If an oil company wants to drill on your land you don't have much choice, they pay you an access fee and damages and you can take what they offer or go to court and lose, you don't own the mineral rights and have to provide reasonable access to the ol company that has purchaced them fromteh government.

I not sure where you got this bit of information from but dealing from experience with my parent's farm, who incidently have several gas wells on it, oil & gas generally will not put up too much of a fight if you don't want them on your land. In fact they usually have to get permission from any surrounding property owners as well. My parents had an incident where they agreed to allow the well on their land but the owner of the 1/4 section next door said he didn't want the the well drilled. I think he was just pissed because they were drilling on my parent's land and not his. They were receiving the compensation and he wasn't. The well was never drilled.

 

[bear.23]

I've got 100 acres of prime deer land.. Every season I put a sign up at the bottom of the drive that says no hunting...

But you still have 5-6 yahoos come up the driveway and pound on the door and ask if they can hunt... at some point it starts to piss you off...

It gets you even more pissed off when you have a feeling and you walk down the driveway around the bend a bit and the idiot you just said no to... is unloading his ATV. He wasn't gonna hunt... he just wanted to go for a drive.... the 270 was just for good looks...

I have no problem with hunting.. but I have kids and dogs running around on the property.. I really don't want the kid to see bambi coming out in 1/4's at this point. He's close but he's not ready yet..

 

[chise]

get off mah lawn!

 

[RoscoeT]

Perhaps he was just fed up with his busy day being interrupted by people asking if they could hunt his land.

It is odd how some urban dwellers think it's their right to wander up to random farm houses and ask if they can hunt there and then get their panties in a knot when they aren't treated with the courtesy they expect.

I wonder what the reaction would be if a farmer wandered into a city neighbourhood and asked homeowners if he could sit in their backyards for an afternoon. I'll bet he'd get lots of courteous replies.

Some farmer was rude to you. Boo hoo. Get over it.

I'm over it. Geez you guys.

You think that a guy with a couple of sections is the same as someone's 100 x 100 back yard? Get a grip.

I don't care if he says no. If he does not want people asking then post a sign on the land or a note on his door. Problem solved. No need to take his attitude out on people is all I'm saying.

My mailbox says "No flyers please." on it. It really is that easy. You even note that I took the time to be polite on a small sign....

 

[Karl]

just a note, you cannot post "no hunting" and then go hunting on the land yourself

Urban myth

Apparantly there is an eastern province that has this rule - however Alberta does not. The fish and wildlife boys just laughed their asses off when I asked about this years ago.

Your land - you can do whatever you want on it.

 

[Hoser-eh]

Some (not all) hunters think they are entitled to hunt anywhere they want.

My land is very clearly posted, there's even a "No Hunting or Tresspassing" sign on my front door.

Despite that, every year there are many who knock on the door and ask anyway. I respond no, I'm hunting myself. Usually we wish each other luck and that's it.

Then there are the arrogant ones who try to intimidate. I take pics of their vehicle and them, and tell them it's best if they moved on.

 

[Wendell]

You think that it is "super polite" to knock on the door of a stranger to ask him to do you a favour?

I would never cold call a stranger - or knock on his door - to ask permission to hunt.

Use an intermediary, or write a letter, first. That could be considered polite.

Knock on my door without an invitation, or call me when I don't know you, just to ask me for something, is probably not going to get the response that you desired.

 

[JEC18159]

Then there are the arrogant ones who try to intimidate.

Seriously??? They do that on your steps? How do they try to intimidate you? Unbelievable...

 

[trevj]

The point is the landowner does not own the wild game, or for that mater the subsurface minerals. If an oil company wants to drill on your land you don't have much choice, they pay you an access fee and damages and you can take what they offer or go to court and lose, you don't own the mineral rights and have to provide reasonable access to the ol company that has purchaced them fromteh government.

You should do better homework, woodchopper.

Most folks that own land in Alberta, do not own the subsurface rights, but many do.

Some of them (or their ancestors) were smart enough to pay the extra couple dollars an acre that it cost to own those rights, when the land was homesteaded. I knew one guy that became an instant (nearly) millionaire as a result of an oil company discovering that his family still owned the rights to some land they had been pumping oil out from under for some several dozen years.

In BC, it depends on when the land became privately owned, too. Some of the lad I am part owner of, has mineral rights attached to the title, some does not.

Never looked in to it in SK when I was there, but I'm pretty sure there are some grandfathered in rights in all the provinces. Devil's in the details.

Cheers
Trev

 

[Lazy Ike]

Try asking about getting hunting permission weeks or months in advance of the season's opening. Flocks of "Last Minute Charlies" showing up at the door tend to aggravate most folk.

For the win!

This hunting season. Permission season was 6 months ago.

 

[Claybuster]

Some (not all) hunters think they are entitled to hunt anywhere they want.

Too many hunters think they are entitled. Own a piece of land near a large urban area and find out how many. Then when they aren't greeted with open arms they can go on line and whine about it.

My land is very clearly posted, there's even a "No Hunting or Tresspassing" sign on my front door.

Despite that, every year there are many who knock on the door and ask anyway. I respond no, I'm hunting myself. Usually we wish each other luck and that's it.

Then there are the arrogant ones who try to intimidate. I take pics of their vehicle and them, and tell them it's best if they moved on.

Yeah, there's nothing like that loudmouth goof in orange pounding on your front door early in the morning on the first day of the season to give you an personal understanding of how and why doors get slammed in faces.

I'm sure he thought he was "super polite" too.

 

[Vincent Vega]

You don't suppose it's Harvest time and that guy has been working 18 hour days for the last few weeks do you? Farmers are angry creatures during Harvest.

Maybe think about asking earlier in the season, when he's not bound to bite your head off.

 

[krausb]

Uh, I get told "no" now and then. I'm not a crybaby.

My point was that when I usually get told no, it's in a civil, conversational way. Not a slammed door.

His right but does not make it right.

Am I almost always polite to people asking for something. Yeah, usually I don't slam the door in the girl guides faces.
And those people do want something... Money.

...

So you've never been rude to a door to door salesman, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon when they show up unannounced at your front door?

 

[shootemup]

I have people show up on my private beach on private property (clearly marked) every summer day. Let alone I own the land all around the waterbody, I have it clearly markerd "private property, no trespassing", my house is 25 ft from the beach, and there is a perfectly good beach on crown land 2 minutes away, there is always some yuppie urbanite trespassing, leaving garbage, and in general pissing me off. I moved to the boonies to get away from these people. Property rights rule.

 

[Grouse Man]

I usually wait until I find where the geese are feeding and then get permission. Only once have I had a rude "No". Usually people are pretty good about it. Don't be discouraged.