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I had a nice discussion with a CPFO about this (I'm sure I'm now on their big bad list now). If you BAN people from using their legally bought and paid for (and licensed) property they'll find a way to use/enjoy it. Better to excersize control (by issuing SAP's/ATT's etc) than lose control totally by forcing it underground. These guys(CPFO) are just too ideologically blind (anti firearms) to get this concept. Oh well, maybe they feel what they don't know won't hurt them I guess. There are probably small groups out there shooting amoungst themselves as a result.
I read a statement from one of the lesser known US founding fathers basically saying that you cannot "oppress a virtuous population". If you look at totalitarian places they have one thing in common...informers all over the place, a lack of trust between citizens, a real "dog-eat dog" culture where there are NO solid Values except those laid down/dictated by the state. The state hates rival ethical/value systems such as religion beacuse they interfere with the power of the state. Hence the move (by the state/media)to moral "relativity"...i.e. there is no right, there is no wrong ,everthing is "relative", making it easier to bend/manipulate the population for political and social ends, wherever the winds of political corrrectness blows. In this system, there are no "ultimate" values/truths (such as property rights), everything after all, is "relative". One year owning something is fine, the next yaer it's banned (sound familiar?)
A virtuous population would never stand for the seizure of private property, or a defacto seizure/devaluing as in the case of prohibited rifle owners. They also wouldn't stand for many other things that are happening in Kanada today.
One last thing....do not, I repeat, do not confuse the above virtue with what the gangbangers/witnesses do when they refuse/fail to provide info on murders, assaults, etc., Anyone who allows murderers to go free, or people to get hurt in order to preserve their WARPED sense of honour needs serious psychological help.
Sorry for digressing....
Anyone up for a prohib weapons match? (just kidding....Or am I? mo-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
ATT's to a range to shoot it?
I've been there, done that....unless the CPFO's have all been changed, I don't see this happening. It's their policy (since approx early 2005) NOT to grant SAP's (Special Authority to Possess) for the purpose of firing them at a range (or anywhere else) for target practice. I wish you well Shazam, but I don't think it'll happen
TrevorW: see above for what SAP's are....basically an ATT for "prohib" rifles, allowing the owner to transport them. The owner must get one EVERY single time they wish to take it out of their storage places/houses. At one time (pre 1992) these were all unrestricted. Became restricted from 1992 to 1993/94 when they were (arbitrarily-no reason given) reclassified to "prohib" status. We were still allowed to shoot them, but had to get a permit every SINGLE time. A good example of petty/legal harrassment if I ever saw one! In early 2005, the authorities refused to issue SAP's for the purpose of shooting prohib rifles. Once again no reason/statistics justifying this action. This has been to court (CSSA) with predictable (I told you so) results....You can't expect justice from mostly Liberally appointed judges...they get appointed because they have the same views/opinions of those who appointed them (Liberals--as they've been in power for like 75 out of the last 100 years, or something like that.
It's surprising that many gun owners aren't aware of the plight of prohib rifle owners, but we can't let them forget because that's where their/your future is at for your property (firearms).
Many gun owners are going to be aware fo the plight of 12.5 owners as that is the direction ALL semi autos and pump action firearms are headed.
Just imagine not being able to take your favorite semi auto trap gun to the range, or your pump shotgun out on a duck or goose hunt - or applying for special permission each time you do so until the C.F.O.s say "no more".
That is what is coming - seen it happen to other firearms - the trend is there.
I am aware of the plight , but it just seems and this is sad , that no one really cares , to me it seems like most gun owners have a " it will never happen to me view about things" and if you bring up anything negative , you are a doom sayer! The laws are stupid , but honestly , what can be done to change them ?? It just seems from everything I have read on this site there is nothing! I think the only thing that could help is a complete change in our political system , and how do we go about doing that ? I have some ideas but speaking them would only havne me labeled a heretic haha
Not to call anyone a liar or pick a fight, but my LTATT says "Transport of Restricted and Prohibited weapons to a licenced gunsmith or CFO-approved range anywhere in Alberta" or words to that effect. That sounds to me like I CAN shoot any prohibs I might own or have legal access to (I have no prohibs btw). It says NOTHING about calling for a special permit every time I want to transport a prohib, even under the section "Special Conditions". Is this issue a province-to-province difference?
That's what I first thought, but somewhere in the fine print it says (or will say once the old LTATT is renewed) that (LTATT) this doesn't apply to prohibited rifles.
It might also not mention it at all because you don't own (and cannot legally come into owning) a prohib rifle, so they don't need to tell you that bit about transporting prohib rifles.
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Yes, I sympathize with you...I'm increasingly pessimistic of our future, both from threats outside our sport, but from threats (apathy, selfishness, or downright ignorance) from within our sport/pastime. Does this mean we give up? Of course not.
There is one HUGE "weapon" we can use, and it is simply a massive non compliance campaign i.e.civil disobedience. The devil is in the details of execution (and finding willing participants).
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Mine is less than 3 months old and doesn't expire until 2013 (unless otherwise revoked). Hmmm.....
Just throwing this out for discussion ( and my own obvious self serving purposes) but,,,,,, should one have a 12.X rifle at a range legally, ie. for a gun show, and if one was to fire said 12.X rifle, what would the charging section, either under the C.C or F.A. be, to support such a "charge"???
In other words, does anyone know what the charge would be?
I've been trying to do a bit of research, and still can't find what prevents a person from firing a 12.x rifle, if it is legally at a range or other place where any firearm my be legally discharged???
I realize a lot of this foolish legislation is a reverse thing, but I'm still stumped. It's probably in there, somewhere, but I can't find the authority to charge a person, under what section???
Gawd knows we have a plethora/cornucopia of CGN lawyers, so maybe some of them could get to work and do some digging for a positive benefit, rather than just a whine fest.
The CFOs are saying, "you can't do that". Well what is their legislative authority to say it, and enforce it???
It may very well be there, but I always like to be able to quote section number, etc., rather than just "cause I said so". I had enough of that when I was 6. I pay the bills for this country now, and I really don't like the thought of some condescending government employee dictating a "policy", just because they want it so.
Rant off.
I realize a lot of this foolish legislation is a reverse thing, but I'm still stumped. It's probably in there, somewhere, but I can't find the authority to charge a person, under what section???
Gawd knows we have a plethora/cornucopia of CGN lawyers
, so maybe some of them could get to work and do some digging for a positive benefit, rather than just a whine fest.The CFOs are saying, "you can't do that". Well what is their legislative authority to say it, and enforce it???
It may very well be there, but I always like to be able to quote section number, etc., rather than just "cause I said so". I had enough of that when I was 6. I pay the bills for this country now, and I really don't like the thought of some condescending government employee dictating a "policy", just because they want it so.
Rant off.
Hey Valash, what store did you see those at?
Yea.. for 750, kind of a rip off, but I guess that depends on how you look at it. In the US, AKs cost around 399-550 (I think). Great gun though, it's a shame we can't own or shoot them here anymore.
Yea.. for 750, kind of a rip off, but I guess that depends on how you look at it. In the US, AKs cost around 399-550 (I think). Great gun though, it's a shame we can't own or shoot them here anymore.
Yes finding willing participants is very tough indeed! There seems to be only 1 in a million that are willing to go the extra mile , like the one man that refused to register his rifles !
I seem to remember alot of people talking about how they would never register thier long guns when the registry came into effect but that was all talk I guess! I think the major problem is that we as people just let the government and the special interest groups make the rules , we dont stand up for ourselves , but anyways , this is an ak thread isnt it
