How Many Spare Mags Are 'Enough'?

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The HK mags are heavy, rare, very expensive and failed most of the extreme tests the PMAG passed. I can see why someone would favor them over the PMAG....

TDC

ETA: The Emag is only an asset if you run something other than an AR.
 
LloydM said:
I don't understand the fascination with P-Mags. I mean how fabulous can a magazine get - really? I never had any problems with the good ol steel ones. Don't get me wrong, if I were to buy an AR mag it would be a P-Mag because I am a quality over quantity kinda guy, but using a P-Mag vs. a steel mag is really splitting hairs in my opinion.
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I haven't had a single malfunction in my 6921 since switching to P-mags, the gun was GTG before but now it is awesome, it even runs SIMS 100% which where sometimes problematic with my USGI mags...
 
Mags?

A good amount to have on hand is a backpack 3/4 full per gun. Also, on hand should be enough ammo to fill all mags and the remaining 1/4 of backpack. (Black rifles)

Handgun mags, I guess 7 or 9, depending on your pockets.

Hunting rifles, I think 3 is enough.

Ruger 22 for gophers in Sask. I run 50, 25 shot mags, and I still have to fill them up during the day.

I guess no matter what, you can't have too many.
 
TDC said:
The HK mags are heavy, rare, very expensive and failed most of the extreme tests the PMAG passed. I can see why someone would favor them over the PMAG....

TDC

ETA: The Emag is only an asset if you run something other than an AR.
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Actually your incorrect!
The H&K mags set the new standard before the Pmag, and have since perfected any problems with Gen2 and Gen 3 line.
 
Leibermuster said:
Actually your incorrect!
The H&K mags set the new standard before the Pmag, and have since perfected any problems with Gen2 and Gen 3 line.
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I doubt that. The HK mags are very heavy and can rust, unlike polymer. They're rare, and they are expensive. Oh and here's a little video showing the HK mags failing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc

Regardless of which generation the HK mag in the video is, you can't dispute the other points.

TDC

ETA: Its you're not your.
 
TDC said:
I doubt that. The HK mags are very heavy and can rust, unlike polymer. They're rare, and they are expensive. Oh and here's a little video showing the HK mags failing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc

Regardless of which generation the HK mag in the video is, you can't dispute the other points.

TDC

ETA: Its you're not your.
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Okay I don't know how many times I must repeat myself by telling you those problems have been fixed with the current Gen 3 line especially! Remember the original SA80 mags came out in back in 2001 roughly.
For f**k Sakes...

P.S. I own both...

As for the point they are not common, sure they are! Just not as much in Canada due to cost, and high demand.

As for the subject of this thread...
Buy as many as you need and keep buying to you meet the want..
 
Number of mags varies on the gun. I have several guns that are just for dragging to the range to change things up a bit. Those have whatever number of mags came with the gun.
If it's a gun I could see using or lending for use in a competition I'll get quite a few more.
Since most of my guns are "Black" or "Red" guns I like having a number of mags that reflects what would be issued to hold front line ammo if they weren't neutered.

On the PMag issue: awesome mags, best I've ever used. But, due to the stupid laws in this country I'll bump them to the back of the pile once CanAm gets their 30/10 mags in.
 
Leibermuster said:
Okay I don't know how many times I must repeat myself by telling you those problems have been fixed with the current Gen 3 line especially! Remember the original SA80 mags came out in back in 2001 roughly.
For f**k Sakes...

P.S. I own both...

As for the point they are not common, sure they are! Just not as much in Canada due to cost, and high demand.

As for the subject of this thread...
Buy as many as you need and keep buying to you meet the want..
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So what about the fact they can rust, are heavy and expensive. What advantage to they offer over Pmags? As for availability, where are you getting them and how much?

TDC
 
TDC said:
So what about the fact they can rust, are heavy and expensive. What advantage to they offer over Pmags? As for availability, where are you getting them and how much?

TDC
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They are a little heavy, but the new versions have been made with a Maritime/Corrosion- Resistant coating.

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I think you guys miss my point, P-Mags are indeed better, but are they really such a breakthrough in rifle technology to justify the massive hype. I agree that a P-Mag is better than a regular mag, but nothing to write home about, but it is nice that they won't rust. Sure a steel mag can fail, but honestly, how many times will you change a mag before the bolt stops holding open on the last shot?. P-Mags are tough, but I can't remember an incident where I wished that I could drive my truck up on a stack of them to change the oil or use it as an ice cube tray... if you want a rifle that you can drive over, there are a lot of other parts that will bugger up before you get to the magazine. Magazines are just boxes that hold ammo, as long as the bolt holds open after the last shot and it is strong enough to drop frequently, then I don't care if the crushing strength is 400 lbs or 400 kilotons. No matter how great your magazine is, you will never shoot any better with it.
 
LloydM said:
I think you guys miss my point, P-Mags are indeed better, but are they really such a breakthrough in rifle technology to justify the massive hype. I agree that a P-Mag is better than a regular mag, but nothing to write home about, but it is nice that they won't rust. Sure a steel mag can fail, but honestly, how many times will you change a mag before the bolt stops holding open on the last shot?. P-Mags are tough, but I can't remember an incident where I wished that I could drive my truck up on a stack of them to change the oil or use it as an ice cube tray... if you want a rifle that you can drive over, there are a lot of other parts that will bugger up before you get to the magazine. Magazines are just boxes that hold ammo, as long as the bolt holds open after the last shot and it is strong enough to drop frequently, then I don't care if the crushing strength is 400 lbs or 400 kilotons. No matter how great your magazine is, you will never shoot any better with it.
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The hype is due to the relatively simple solution to the biggest plague of the AR platform, the crappy mags. The extreme tests that the PMAG has been put through and passed are simply a demonstration of their strength. The potential to have you mags run over by a truck are rather slim, but the fact they can handle such force should alleviate any concerns with regards to one stepping on, lying on, dropping or throwing a magazine. All of which will most likely damage a GI mag to the point of unreliability. Magpul claims to have a magazine that has been loaded for over a year with zero feed lip creep. Again, something that can't be said for GI mags. The PMAG won't improve ones skills, but it will improve the reliability of the system. That alone will improve the experience.

With regards to the HK mags and their maritime coating. Its just a coating, which will eventually wear off permitting corrosion. Pmags can never rust. The spring yes, the rest of the mag, NO. The availability of the HK mags is non existent which means any possible advantage they might have is speculation at best.

TDC
 
FYI, I just finished breaking 3(THREE) of the Gen 3 (read newest version) HK mags today. They are current issue in the Norwegian military. They ####ing suck. They are still heavy. Still blowing springs when landing on concrete pads. And the lips are still bending to #### when dropped on hard surfaces.

MAYBE they take longer to rust, but i don't really think they'd live through any sort regular use to find out....
 
nemesys said:
FYI, I just finished breaking 3(THREE) of the Gen 3 (read newest version) HK mags today. They are current issue in the Norwegian military. They f**king suck. They are still heavy. Still blowing springs when landing on concrete pads. And the lips are still bending to s**t when dropped on hard surfaces.

MAYBE they take longer to rust, but i don't really think they'd live through any sort regular use to find out....
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I'm sorry but, is that possible, i have dropped my H&K (version 1) mags from bad heights on concrete during exercises, and never had that happen! For a steal mag they seem to be of the finest quality.
 
Leibermuster said:
I'm sorry but, is that possible, i have dropped my H&K (version 1) mags from bad heights on concrete during exercises, and never had that happen! For a steal mag they seem to be of the finest quality.
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You caught me, I'm ####ing posting made up #### just to mess with you. I love to talk about #### I have no personal experience with, and make sure there is no confusion about how much of a douchebag I am.:rolleyes:

The only gen of HK mags that I haven't managed to break in some way, are the gen 2's. But that's only because i haven't had an opportunity to try 'em out.

Of the 3 (THREE) gen 3 mags I busted today, two were virgins, fresh out of the box from the depot. Those two had their springs blow out the bottom after being dropped from the mag well during a reload. 1 (one) of those two still had about 10 rounds left(the other one was empty).

The third one "broke" when the lips bent in after being knocked off a table.

They suck, dude.
 
What's the fascination with dropping expensive mags on the ground? :rolleyes:
There is this neat bit of kit called a dump pouch.

Also to answer the original posters question...

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It depends on who you ask. :D
 
nemesys said:
You caught me, I'm f**king posting made up s**t just to mess with you. I love to talk about s**t I have no personal experience with, and make sure there is no confusion about how much of a douchebag I am.:rolleyes:

The only gen of HK mags that I haven't managed to break in some way, are the gen 2's. But that's only because i haven't had an opportunity to try 'em out.

Of the 3 (THREE) gen 3 mags I busted today, two were virgins, fresh out of the box from the depot. Those two had their springs blow out the bottom after being dropped from the mag well during a reload. 1 (one) of those two still had about 10 rounds left(the other one was empty).

The third one "broke" when the lips bent in after being knocked off a table.

They suck, dude.
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I don't know what to say about this post....wait know I do...I think your telling a fairy tale..

I have tried this deliberately with one H&K SA80/416 magazine several times, when i first got wind of this supposed weakness, and must say I never experience this. No one I know has had any major issues with these mags, and that is quit a few people.

Are you dropping them from a building? Because that I can believe!

You may be telling the truth, but i don't think that is true, unless your getting Korean made imitations, and even then..

As for Calum ...Your my idol...nice collection.
 
Nemesys = Know him, stacked with him, know his training background, seen his skills and know what he has access to and his location and can vouch for his street cred...

Other guy =
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