First rifle

I would personally recommend starting with a 243. Light on the recoil, wide selection of bullets covering all of the bases. You can punch paper, hunt small game through deer with this cartridge.

As for accuracy, a savage or stevens package will give you the best chance of being able to hunt ethically. Remember that the gun only shoots as well as the operator, so learning to tolerate recoil with a light to medium kicker is a good place to start.



Yeah, this was what I was thinking aswell. I just didn't want to end up with too much or would it be worth picking up a .270 and shooting reduce recoil loads at the range for a bit? I mean I'm sure a .270's recoil would be no problem but I could see longer days at the range becoming an issue. Although at least that way when I do need a little more jam its there.
 
Given that you are in Alberta, there is a wide range of game and hunting topography that you need to consider.

The 308 and the 30.06 are both good calibres. But you need to define what type of game you plan to hunt.

If you plan to hunt everything from antelope to grizzly then you may wish to consider picking gun/calibre on a per species basis.

If you plan to hunt only one type of game, then you can adjust your plan accordingly.

For mule and whitetail deer in Alberta you may wish to consider a long-range flat shooting calibre like the 270 or 7mmRM. Both of these can be used for sheep and antelopes. They are both good choices for black bear.

Moose and elk you may wish something heavier, like a 338wm. mainly for the distances involved.

Grizzly ... well again, something a little heavier like a 375HH.

So there you have my 2 cents... and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. :)
 
I would suggest the stevens bolt as others have. Invest in a quality scope as it can be moved to another rifle if you step up in the future. 308 is a great caliber to start with as recoil is on the mild side and ammo readily available. You could save a few bucks plinking as the AE and rem-umc ball is cheaper. I shot my first moose with a savage 99 in 308. Great round to start off with. more than sufficient for deer, and sufficient for moose/black bear in the right hands.
My 2 cents.
 
The typical hunting rifle is designed to be used by normal people. With respect to moderate cartridges, recoil is mostly a non-issue for anyone fit enough to play contact sports. If you don't fall into that category a .22 centerfire is probably the place to start. For everyone else, cartridges from the 6.5X55 Swede to the .30/06 have much to offer, and although you do not seek an all around rifle, a sporter chambered for a moderate cartridge is exactly that. Choose your rifle carefully, I would lean toward commercial sporters rather than to military rifles or sporterized rifles with military actions.

As to your budget, while there are new budget priced rifle available, you sound like a good candidate to be a Tradex customer. On the Tradex site you can choose from dozens of high quality used rifles, mostly Husqvarnas although others do come up from time to time. Don't choose a rifle simply because it comes equipped with a scope. Bore condition is of primary importance with the cosmetic finish being a secondary consideration. Last year I acquired a Husqvarna 1600 in .30/06 for my 13 year old nephew, and this year he used it to kill a spike mule deer with a single shot, with a 130 gr TSX loaded to 2600 fps.

Once you choose your rifle, have it sent to a gunsmith to resolve any issues, often these will have cracks behind the tang, which is easily fixed. The stock should be cut to length so that you can easily reach the bolt handle when the rifle is at your shoulder; the common measurement is a length equal to the length from the inside of your elbow when bend at 90 degrees to the first pad of your index finger. However, this measurement should be considered with the addition of bulky clothing if you intend to do much cold weather shooting. A good quality recoil pad is important as even light recoil can be objectionable with a hard plastic butt plate. If the rifle does not come with sling swivel studs, they should be installed, and a good quality sling acquired. I like a sling that can be used as a shooting sling as well as a carry strap, but I find that this is a minority opinion these days. Consider though that when shooting slung up from a supported position, the chance of making a first round hit on your target improves by about a third.

I for one wouldn't be in hurry to scope the rifle. Good shooting can be done with irons, and the purchase of a good ghost ring receiver sight and a post front sight is a cheaper option than is a good scope, poor scopes are not worth consideration. The ghost ring and post will teach you much about marksmanship, and will probably surprise you with its precision as your skills improve. The thin rim of the aperture ghosts out of your vision, and once placed on the target, your entire concentration is on the front sight. The flat top of the rectangular post provides a better index of elevation, not unlike the horizontal wire of a scope's cross hair, than does the indistinct round top of a bead sight. The eye quickly finds the center of the post which is the vertical index and with that combination of vertical and horizontal indexes, very precise shooting can be accomplished In the meantime you can save towards the purchase of an appropriate scope and mounts.

As soon as possible begin to handload your ammunition. This will allow you to shoot more for the dollars you have to spend on ammo. Speaking of ammo, choosing a .223, .308, .30/06, 8mm, 6.5X55 etc can allow you to purchase surplus ammo when its available. Check with Districorp from time to time for the best prices and availability, and this stuff will get you by until you can handload.

Much can be learned through dry firing. Work on your natural point of aim so that it can be acquired quickly from fields positions. When you allow your body to go slack, if the sights swing off target, your position needs to be adjusted. Work on your sight picture and trigger control. When you press the trigger, what the front sight covers when the firing pin falls is where the bullet will go.
 
Yeah, this was what I was thinking aswell. I just didn't want to end up with too much or would it be worth picking up a .270 and shooting reduce recoil loads at the range for a bit? I mean I'm sure a .270's recoil would be no problem but I could see longer days at the range becoming an issue. Although at least that way when I do need a little more jam its there.

I shoot a .270win that weighs less than 7.5 lb scoped, and I also weigh less than yourself. Putting a Limbsaver pad on it made the difference between coming home with a bruise after a dozen rounds and launching 60 rd downrange in an afternoon with little thought to recoil. $45 and worth every penny.
 
Yeah I was also thinking the .270 might be something a little more versitile. Mind you the more I think about it I may just pick up a .270 or 30-06 for hunting and grab an sks and a wack of surplus ammo for plinking at the range.
 
I am gonna thread jack for a second!

I am also looking for a first hunting rifle. I have been recommended 30-06 and most recently 308.
I plan to hunt moose and deer with it. I have looked at the Savage one-11's with scope and the price is right, but also considering used.

Price/AMMO price., and versatility are main considerations (besides actually being able to hit something reasonably well).

thanks!
 
Used is usually a good idea, but there's nothing wrong with the Savage or Stevens combos if your budget is restricted. I have a Stevens in 30-06 and it's amazingly accurate (under 1" at 100 yards). A basic rifle with a blued action and plastic stock like a Stevens will do you fine and be resistant enough to the weather. No real need to shell out the extra money for stainless.

I don't have any experience with them but the Elite 3200 scopes seem well reputed. I prefer Burris and Leupold for my hunting rifles and have been well served with both the Burris Signature and Fullfield and the Laupolds, though I've only used VariX 3 or VX3 and fixed powers on my hunting rifles. A used Leupold M8 4x can often be had for very little money and they're some of the best scopes for a basic hunting rifle.
 
My first centerfire rifle was a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R, the only reason I mention is because even though it was cheap, only $150, it sure is hard on the shoulder after about 10 rounds. It's got a steel butt plate, not a nice rubbery dec pad like my Rem. 700 in .308 :) My point is though, the calibers are similar, but the Remmy is soo much nicer to shoot, and cheaper to buy ammo and/or reload for.
 
The more I search I'm really starting to like the look of the marlin xl line.
Now it's just picking a caliber and a scope.
I keeping going back to the .243 or 7-08... Regardless if/when I do go hunting it won't be untill next fall and I'll have purchased something bigger by then anyways to handle elk, moose, bear etc.
 
7mm-08 is a much better choice than the 243. The 243 may kick less, but it is a specialists rifle similar to the 223. Too light unless you're very picky about shot placement. Teh 7mm-08 with 140 grain bullets would be a much better choice and not likely to kick you too hard. Pretty much impossible for a 7mm-08 to abuse you.
 
I think I'm going to keep my eyes open for a used marlin 336 possibly even a win 94 and if I can't find one by the time my pal arrives I'll just buy a savage package.
It seems as though after checking ammo prices the 30-30 would be a great round to be shooting untill I could start reloading.
Besides is any collection complete without a few levers? =P
 
I would suggest a Marlin 336 or Stevens .308 with some decent glass. You could probably find a Stevens 200 in .308 with a Bushnell 3200 3x9x40 for under $600. But on the other hand the Marlin has the ###y appeal and you don't have to buy a scope..... Either way you would probably be happy.
 
Personally i like my 308 it doesn't have to bad of a recoil i also have a 30 06 its pretty good but if you plan on doing a lot of shooting your shoulder can get a little sore seems to depend on the rifle though. 303 also isn't bad and you can find some cheap sporterized enfields around.
 
Enfield's kick hard?




Sporterized Enfields with the metal buttplate are!



Seriously though, anything with a hard end is gonna bruise, unless it's a rimfire or something. A recoil pad takes most of the bite out of just about any standard cartridge, until you start going way beyond what's required to hunt game. ;)
 
.303 ammo is stupid expensive and rare now too. I would not reccomend anyone to buy one unless you WANT a .303 specifically. I love my Parker Hale .303, but don't punch too much paper with it due to ammo prices at or well over $1.50/round.

You can get a huge range of ammo in .308 or 30-06, from light plinking loads to hot big game loads. Best bet for an all-rounder, but I also suggest a .22 first for developing skills and having mounds of plinking fun.
 
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