C8 HBFT GL Sleeve dimension

A Canadian's idea of improvement would involve an entire roll of gun tape used in a hilarious fashion, not 2 and a half pounds of iron. Yet again, leave it to the company who thought of the Simon Sleeve.

Oh snap! That's right, I went there.
 
Apparently the theory was if you fired 600rds on auto one mag after another, the temp could in theory cook off a 40mm HEDP.

Now 1) I think its BS as the US Army would have figured that one out.
2) if your in a deep non #### gunfight where you need to shoot 600rds back to back to back, well one your dead cause your not manuvering, and two don't you think that 40mm HEDP should have been used sometime in that 20 mag dump????

Only good thing about the Diemaco M203A1 is using three index lugs on the barrel not not just one.
 
It is massive.

Its hardly surprising to see companies who supply gear to the CF reinventing the wheel. The tacvest and the new rucksack come into mind... There was a clown on Army.ca who works for the Clothe the Soldier Program defending how they performed surveys on CF servicemen to find out their hand sizes. Apparently nobody told them the civilian market already has all the glove sizes they need.

Similar situation with the 203, re-evaluating the American model and making it "better." Like Kevin said, 600 rounds on full auto... Gee, next time that happens be sure to come tell me.
 
FYI on the sleeve It serves two purposes

One- is to mount the M203
Two- is to provide a seal for use with a can "non CF model ;)"

Also beening removable gives you the option to change the sleeve two match the brand of can your useing.
 
yohann160 said:
It is massive.

Its hardly surprising to see companies who supply gear to the CF reinventing the wheel. The tacvest and the new rucksack come into mind... There was a clown on Army.ca who works for the Clothe the Soldier Program defending how they performed surveys on CF servicemen to find out their hand sizes. Apparently nobody told them the civilian market already has all the glove sizes they need.

Similar situation with the 203, re-evaluating the American model and making it "better." Like Kevin said, 600 rounds on full auto... Gee, next time that happens be sure to come tell me.
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It is not the companies design, all military equipment less that purchased off the shelf is designed to specifications provided by the military. In short the blame for the poor mount design can be rested soley on the PMO for the
M203PI and associated life cycle managers. If military has crappy kit it is because they designed it to be so.
 
Reaper said:
It is not the companies design, all military equipment less that purchased off the shelf is designed to specifications provided by the military. In short the blame for the poor mount design can be rested soley on the PMO for the
M203PI and associated life cycle managers. If military has crappy kit it is because they designed it to be so.
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Therein lies the tragic comedy.

If you have an opportunity to play with the CF 40X46 practice rounds, they are a work of art. (And I'm not being facetious). German made works of art.. I'm sure they cost the taxpayer a ton of money. But holy smoly, there was already the US manufactured rounds that I'm sure would have cost 1/4 the price. And they work no worse than the German made rounds...

Back to the point of this thread, I too could use the dimensions of the barrel... I may have a project in mind:D. Too bad we don't have any CF members on this board who could take a minute out of their busy schedule and take the requesite measurments....:)
 
Dsiwy said:
FYI on the sleeve It serves two purposes

One- is to mount the M203
Two- is to provide a seal for use with a can "non CF model ;)"

Also beening removable gives you the option to change the sleeve two match the brand of can your useing.
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Sorry - the sleeve does not seal the can.

Neither the OPSINC can, the ASE-UTRA nor KAC nor the other two that C8SFW/L119A1 users use.

The cans lock on the FH/Mount - the fact the sleeve is the same diameter of (most) of the FH/Mounts is a point it won't seal, you need larger (and not fitting the bayonet over it) and some sort of fiction fit (once again no) and/or a cuhsinion material (and no again).

Saying the OPSINC can seals against it is incorrect, it can tension against, but it was not designed that way and I can go on and on.

Someone is spinning you a line.
 
Dsiwy said:
FYI on the sleeve It serves two purposes

One- is to mount the M203
Two- is to provide a seal for use with a can "non CF model ;)"

Also beening removable gives you the option to change the sleeve two match the brand of can your useing.
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Are you saying the sleeve is removable? Is it not heated and pressed on? Or have I been lied to all these years?
 
yohann160 said:
Are you saying the sleeve is removable? Is it not heated and pressed on? Or have I been lied to all these years?
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Yes, it is heated and pressed on. So with that in mind, you tell us, is it removable? The answer is, yes it can be removed. However, how easy is it to remove, and have any actually been removed since being put on at the factory?
Answer = 0
 
koldt said:
Yes, it is heated and pressed on. So with that in mind, you tell us, is it removable? The answer is, yes it can be removed. However, how easy is it to remove, and have any actually been removed since being put on at the factory?
Answer = 0
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WRONG

It comes off very easy "by hand once the flashhider is removed"

Its NOT pressed on or heated.
 
koldt said:
Yes, it is heated and pressed on. So with that in mind, you tell us, is it removable? The answer is, yes it can be removed. However, how easy is it to remove, and have any actually been removed since being put on at the factory?
Answer = 0
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I'm thinking a 20T press might do the trick :eek:

Not sure what your going to do with it after that :D
 
KevinB said:
Sorry - the sleeve does not seal the can.

Neither the OPSINC can, the ASE-UTRA nor KAC nor the other two that C8SFW/L119A1 users use.

The cans lock on the FH/Mount - the fact the sleeve is the same diameter of (most) of the FH/Mounts is a point it won't seal, you need larger (and not fitting the bayonet over it) and some sort of fiction fit (once again no) and/or a cuhsinion material (and no again).

Saying the OPSINC can seals against it is incorrect, it can tension against, but it was not designed that way and I can go on and on.

Someone is spinning you a line.
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Your right the "can" presses up against it "not sealed by it"
My error in the way I wrote it. Also I was not talking about the CF issue sleeve;)

I have seen 4 styles of seelves out there for different "cans" or devices.
 
Two of the better pics of mine in '04

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With a ton of crap on it too... (after the EoTech broke)

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I noticed that crush washer was installed in the opposite way common to what we see. Any reason for it or just one of those things that doesn't really matter?
 
greentips said:
I noticed that crush washer was installed in the opposite way common to what we see. Any reason for it or just one of those things that doesn't really matter?
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Its installed bevelled end facing sleeve on all C8HBs "thats the proper way for the C8HB"
 
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