What to do?

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Just back in after 3 1/2 hours of looking through swamp and cornfields for a deer that a good friend (going on 10 years) shot with a crossbow this morning!

I am somewhat pissed to say the least, cause this isn't the first time this has happened with the same individual. There has been 4 occurrences over the last 5 years!:mad:

Last year, very similar circumstances, tracked a friggren deer for 500 metres, until the very little blood sign finally petered out.

2 years ago, he got off lucky and spine shot the deer, was still alive, obviously, and he had to dispatch it with a knife.

3 years ago, lost another deer, picked up the blood trail, close to where he shot it, and it petered out quickly, deer went through swamp (read lots of water) never was able to pick the trail up again:mad:

4 years ago, similar to this year, shot deer, picked up blood trail, tracked it back and forth through woods over and down ridges, through a 50 acre corn field, then into the woods again, never to be found.

I had a talk:confused: with him last year about shot placement, but I know he just gets plain excited, and f**ks up the shot. He is shooting an Excalibur, and I have shot it, the bolt goes where you point it.

I feel like telling him to hang up the bow! Just don't friggen hunt with it anymore, cause clearly you can't control your emotions. Problem is, we hunt adjacent properties, and the landowner that we both have permission on their properties, would likely boot him off, cause quite frankly, this is unacceptable, but we are all friends. Is this worth losing a 10 year friendship over? I don't want to see lost game period, it pisses me off quite frankly, but 4 years out of 5. I would think he would have the sense to hang it up on his own volition, but I know he won't, and will continue hunting else where.

WTF to do?



Edited: I am setting up meetings with the landowners, to figure out if we should punt him off the properties, that really isn't going to solve the real issue though.
 
We booted a guy out of our hunt group about 10 years ago for the same reason.

The strange thing is the deer ALWAYS seemed to run to him in drives. Could not shoot worth a damn.
 
I can understand missing your shot placement first time out. But that should have lit a fire under his ass to get him to practice with the crossbow so he was sure to hit what he aimed at.
If is own sense of hunting ethics has not motivated him to improve his marksmanship for the sake of a clean kill, then I would have no problem telling him that you don't want to hunt with him anymore.
A hunting friend of mine suggests that going after small game(rabbits, partridge etc) will help take away some of the adrenaline rush you get when you're about to make the shot.
 
Tell him point blank that its unacceptable and to either give up or move on. Once could be a mistake, after that its carelessness...Obviously there is no remorse over lost game or he wouldn't keep doing it.
 
Firstly, did you find the deer? If not, get a dog with a good nose, if it's lawful in your province. If not, a call to the local CO office may get you an exception.

As for how to deal with your buddy, a lot of pressure from you and the rest of your group to engage in an intensive regimen of shooting practice, with his inclusion in your group on the line might be a winning strategy.
 
Firstly, did you find the deer? If not, get a dog with a good nose, if it's lawful in your province. If not, a call to the local CO office may get you an exception.

As for how to deal with your buddy, a lot of pressure from you and the rest of your group to engage in an intensive regimen of shooting practice, with his inclusion in your group on the line might be a winning strategy.

No, never did find the deer.....I picked the trail up, from where he lost it. Followed it about 70 yards from a ridge to a corn field.....followed it then across the corn field, to the next bushline, then into a swamp....water about 3' deep...and 70 yards across.....never was able to pick the trail up again, and it wasn't floating in the water. I had my Black Lab out, as well as his Gordon Setter, they weren't picking up much scent at all.

I think we are going to do an "Intervention". I have been off and on the phone with various Land Owners, as well as friends........something has to be rectified....either he stops hunting with the bow, or he stops hunting these properties. The later doesn't really work, cause he has other properties to go and hunt.

He is a well seasoned bird hunter, hunts Woodcock, Pheasant, Grouse......travels quite a bit to do it, Michigan, Iowa......but when it comes to the deer, up close and personal.....I think he loses all control of his emotions....Major Buck Fever!
 
I think he loses all control of his emotions....Major Buck Fever!

I avoid people like this, too dangerous to everyone. When guys get that excited, they don't think about whats behind the deer either...Could be me walking out...
 
It seems the mystery is solved........I don't know how it survived this long. I know it is no where near the vitals, but still.....

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And of course aside from the complete ineffectiveness, that's actually not that horrible of a miss. Only a few of inches off of a nice high shoulder shot.

There is a deer running around here with a full size arrow in it's ass.
 
That's the not so "sweet spot" above the heart and lungs but below the spine. I shot a doe there last year with a .300wm tracked the deer for 14hrs before giving up only to see her the next night limping across the field gave her another shot in the shoulder and put her down for good.....I know I felt some bad and after that poor shot I went right to the range the next morning to practice then that night it paid off....If this guy isn't practicing with a bow a few times a week for a few months leading up to the season opening then he has no respect to the game he hunts and he should just stay home!...
 
I'm starting to think I'm in a similar situation. One of my deer hunting buddies doesn't practice enough (once a year) with his compound, and is willing to take a 50 yard shot. I used to shoot ALOT and I'm not comfortable shooting past 30. We spent 5 hours tracking a doe he shot on opening day. Never did find it. I had to do all the tracking too because he apparently can't see a 6" puddle of blood.

Hopefully you get him to take his time on the shot and you don't have to lose a hunting buddy.
 
Yes take a stand I won't let anyone archery hunt with me without knowing they are proficient with a bow either a crossbow or compound!!!!
 
Use the safety angle and see what that does. If you go in all fire and brimstone you're going to lose a friend. True friends are rare these days and that's something you need to consider before you do anything with this situation. I understand the frustration, I really do, but before you go after him, think about what his friendship means.

If it's worth losing a friend, then go balls to the wall. But if you truly enjoy his company then try and find a diplomatic way to get his attention. Like I mentioned, try the safety angle and then show him the pic. Offer to help practice a couple times a month during the summer. Make it a guys night and invite a bunch of people out for practice and then a bbq. Make it fun. If you get all up in his face... he'll do the exact same thing with you and then it'll turn into a sh!t show with a lot of hurt feelings... including your own.

A little experience talking here... that's all. Unfortunately, a personal experience.
 
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I have been waiting a week before I talk to him, I had to cool off a bit. Definitely have to have a sit down with him, over a beer perhaps, and sort this out. I don't want to see him quit hunting, I just want him to hunt better, and use some better judgment, it is a lot easier to buy meat at the local store, rather than seeing a wounded animal walking around, and slowly dying......... not sure if this deer will live or die, but I don't want to see this for any animal, if it can be avoided.
 
In all reality, he's not that far off from it being a perfect shot. Like it was previously said, a few inches over and down and that would be right in the money area. Does he know where he should be shooting? When I first started deer hunting, probably the first 4 I shot, I was expecting to go clean them and find a perfect heart shot, but I always hit in the lungs higher and further back than I was expecting. After some discussions with some more experienced hunters I got a better idea of deer physiology and that the heart was actually much lower than I thought. Maybe this guy doesnt know where the vitals actually are?
 
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