What were they thinking of? Stages

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I have done IPSC and IDPA/CDP/ODP matches and have encountered course of fire/stages that makes you go, hmmm what were they thinking of when they designed this. really dopey ones that make you go contortionist or a 'realistic' shooting stance/situation that will only happen in a cartoon. :runaway: i have to adopt a 'I already drove this far so make the most of it' attitude. anyone else can relate to this.
 
IDPA ought not to have stages like that, the rule book provides guidance for avoiding it.

I've shot some pretty interesting stages this year, never anything too extreme.
 
To quote CoF Rule #1: "...If you cannot honestly say 'that could happen, 'it probably won't make a good IDPA stage."

I hope you haven't seen anyting outside of the above at any of our shoots. That said you might have; life isn't perfect and some MD's have vivid imaginations.:D

Take Care

Bob
 
that was deep man
SquibLoad said:
I have done IPSC and IDPA/CDP/ODP matches and have encountered course of fire/stages that makes you go, hmmm what were they thinking of when they designed this. really dopey ones that make you go contortionist or a 'realistic' shooting stance/situation that will only happen in a cartoon. :runaway: i have to adopt a 'I already drove this far so make the most of it' attitude. anyone else can relate to this.
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because of course you might not have to shoot through a mail slot, or under a car or under a mailbox, or around a telephone pole in real life.
 
The only one I can think of was one stage where I was hanging from a rope and leaning out to the right and left of a barricade while standing on a stool shooting one handed at targets and steel poppers. I thought that particular stage was a bit bizzarre and not totally safe but we all managed to get through it with slipping off the stool.:D The stage certainly favoured the taller shooters. Reloads were exciting.

Take Care

Bob
 
SquibLoad said:
I have done IPSC and IDPA/CDP/ODP matches and have encountered course of fire/stages that makes you go, hmmm what were they thinking of when they designed this. really dopey ones that make you go contortionist or a 'realistic' shooting stance/situation that will only happen in a cartoon. :runaway: i have to adopt a 'I already drove this far so make the most of it' attitude. anyone else can relate to this.
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Nope... Can't relate.
It's a game... If you think it's anything more you're a f**kin' idiot.


Let's see you take the time to design, organize and run a match and see how easy it is and how "realistic" you can make it...
 
667 said:
Nope... Can't relate.
It's a game... If you think it's anything more you're a f**kin' idiot.


Let's see you take the time to design, organize and run a match and see how easy it is and how "realistic" you can make it...
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It's an observation of some the matches I have been to in the years I have been shooting not a specific event, however, Have I hit a nerve there somewhere.
 
I have put on five IPSC matches at TSE in the last few years, due to the constraints of being indoors not to mention the size of the bays I've had to get somewhat... creative. Some of the stages I've done have absolutely been gimmicky and I make no apologies for it. I've done stages with no lights on and nothing but a flashlight (long course). I've also done a stage where all shooting was done from a 4x4, no "forward" movement off of it, that sort of thing. Forward was in quotes since it was set up in an inverted V so the shooter had to walk down one side and back the other. Would that happen in real life, not a chance, but hey you can only do so much indoors.

Speaking of that stage, here's what it looks like. Some of you will know the shooter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKowPVfnSY

While it was definitely gimmicky just about everyone had fun shooting it.
 
The best truly Practical pistol stage I've ever shot was at one of the early BC Champs. They had built a "DARK ROOM" out of thick black poly, and the inside was lit only by a set of red&blues on the cop car at the back of the room.
And it was a
SURPRISE stage!!!
No publishing it or practicing for it before hand.

Exit CCar,
holding and retaining big 4D cop flashlight,
shootemallletgawdsortemout!.
OH,
by the way,
to stop the stage you had to break a clay pigeon on the back wall ...
at about 10 yds.

Yep,
that was a humbling experience for a lot of so called "A class" IpSC shooters, who couldn't figure out where to stick the flashlight, and who could not hit a clay pigeon at ten yards ... in dim light.

Several supposedly good shooters emptied their entire belt fed mag pouches without making a 10 yd shot.
DNFs! all over the place.

Another great stage I remember was another SURPRISE!! stage.
Again,
No publishing it or practicing for it before hand.

Open the door to the closed room ...
SURPRISE!!!
the fun begins, and the adrenaline starts flowing.
A cart on rails speeds down an incline straight for the shooter, with two disappearing shoots in it. When it hits the stop, about three yards away, the two shoots flop down and disappear, and it triggers two more shoots that bob twice across the side windows on each side, then disappear.

From there it gets more like a regular stage, with your regular fallers and no shoots, etc.
But having that cart rushing at you as a surprise at the start of the stage sure got the blood pumping.

The worst stage I can remember was at a local match ...
56 shots at ranges from 2 - 20 yds, while traversing the range sideways.
No cover or concealment ...
just amble sideways while having a close encounter with a massive pack of Zombies.

I think the only "practical" response to this scenario would have been to call down NAPALM ON YOUR OWN HEAD ... probably just as survivable as attempting to pistoleer your way out of a pack of Zombies at short range.

[;{)
LAZ 1
 
Lazerus2000 said:
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And it was a
SURPRISE stage!!!
No publishing it or practicing for it before hand.
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These are the best stages I think... At least my fav.
'Last match I attended in MI 5 of the 8 stages where "blind"...
The clubs dark house is completely awsome... comes in at 5:22

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Was at a month match in Florida this past February and at the shooters meeting the MD started by thanking all those who came out to set up a stage they designed, welcomes all the shooters 90+ (6 ranges 11 stages $15 - yahoo) then went on to say if you don't like what you see / shoot to get the F out...needless to say not one shooter complained



ron hilchey said:
At our range anyone who complains about stage design is invited to set up the next match.
Most often the complaining ends there.
Ron.
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It always amazes me how many whiners there are #####ing and complaining about the COF, and that is in any of the sports be it IDPA or IPSC, yet these same people are never willing to even make and attempt to set up a COF. For those of you like me who are always setting up the COF, word of advice, go to your shoot night, gear up, and park your butt in a chair like the rest of them, that is what I started doing, and after a few times of sitting there for an hour and a half and not a single person willing to make even the slightest attempt to set something up, pack up and leave. After about 2 or 3 times, they will get the hint, and either start to participate or just not come back. I run the IDPA league at my club, and have come to the realization that I have no time for morons, my time is far better spent at home with my family then at the club with a group of whiners.
 
I think it's known in some circles as "The Little Red Hen" folktale syndrome...

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From Wiki...
Plot summary
In the tale, the little red hen finds a grain of wheat, and asks for help from the other farmyard animals to plant it. However, no animal is willing to volunteer to help her.

At each further stage (harvest, threshing, milling the wheat into flour, and baking the flour into bread), the hen again asks for help from the other animals, but again she gets no assistance.

Finally, the hen has completed her task, and asks who will help her eat the bread. This time, all the previous non-participants eagerly volunteer. However, she declines their help and eats it with her chicks, leaving none for anyone else.

The moral of the story is that those who show no will to contribute to an end product do not deserve to enjoy the end product..
 
Steve David said:
It always amazes me how many whiners there are #####ing and complaining about the COF, and that is in any of the sports be it IDPA or IPSC, yet these same people are never willing to even make and attempt to set up a COF. For those of you like me who are always setting up the COF, word of advice, go to your shoot night, gear up, and park your butt in a chair like the rest of them, that is what I started doing, and after a few times of sitting there for an hour and a half and not a single person willing to make even the slightest attempt to set something up, pack up and leave. After about 2 or 3 times, they will get the hint, and either start to participate or just not come back. I run the IDPA league at my club, and have come to the realization that I have no time for morons, my time is far better spent at home with my family then at the club with a group of whiners.
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I don't know, but it sure sounds like someone is quite Jaded. Have you tried asking the guys parking their butts in the chair to come give you a hand. Have you tried delegating some of the set up to them??
Just saying.
 
Meh. All trigger times are good times, to quote a friend of mine.
I have two simple rules.
Shoot safely.
Have fun.

If you cannot do the first. Stay home. If you cannot do the second, why are you shooting again?

Based off real life, movie, fantasy, nightmare, secret fetish..., just have fun and shoot it? (Ok maybe we do hesitate on the secret fetish one...)

My two cents. :)
 
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