What can LE/Mil Personel own?
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Agreed. I know many LEO's who cannot own hunting rifles because they have no PAL at all. They only have their duty weapon. However, I have personally seen some of these same LEO's transporting their firearm to and from a private (commerically operated) shooting range in a concealed holster on their body with no case or lock and with the charged mag in the pistol. The funny thing is in one case, his badge was inside the wallet in his pocket. A bystander might accidentally see the gun WAY before they saw a badge. Can you say "panicked civilian calling 911"?
Okay...so we've established that some LEO's have authorization from their agencies to carry while off duty.
We've alsoe heard that they are required to either have the weapon in a "ready" state (loaded, holstered) or secured in the same way as the rest of us would.
So where's the problem?
They're simply doing something that most of us feel should be legal for all competent, law-abiding citizens. If I am going to take exception to this, it will be with the fact that I cannot carry, not that they can. I will readily acknowledge that an officer working for a narcotics unit is far more likely to encounter violence during his off-hours than I am.
We've alsoe heard that they are required to either have the weapon in a "ready" state (loaded, holstered) or secured in the same way as the rest of us would.
So where's the problem?
They're simply doing something that most of us feel should be legal for all competent, law-abiding citizens. If I am going to take exception to this, it will be with the fact that I cannot carry, not that they can. I will readily acknowledge that an officer working for a narcotics unit is far more likely to encounter violence during his off-hours than I am.
Unless leo/mil are at work, no different to you!
Exactly
In Kanada the C.C.C authorizes all sworn status cops to carry anytime anywhere in Kanada as long as it is for execution of their duty.
Their sworn status does not end at the end of the shift - only at death or retirement.
If a cop goes to any range to practise with his issue sidearm - that is part of his execution of duty and can holster carry.
If he stops for gas and uses his carry gun to foil an A.R. - all is good.
If he stops for dinner in a tavern all is good.
If he stops to drink beer in a tavern - he can NOT carry, - but if he foils an A.R. in the bar while drinking beer he will get a letter of commendation, no criminal charge, but would probably also be disciplined.
The only time a cop can carry off duty drinking beer in a bar is if the Chief has given special permission for full time off duty carry - (usually because of pager call back, threats from a scrote, etc.)
The Chief can also authorize non standard firearms,and dictate and alter off duty carry policy and not allow carry to a civilian range etc.
In Kanada the C.C.C authorizes all sworn status cops to carry anytime anywhere in Kanada as long as it is for execution of their duty.
Their sworn status does not end at the end of the shift - only at death or retirement.
If a cop goes to any range to practise with his issue sidearm - that is part of his execution of duty and can holster carry.
If he stops for gas and uses his carry gun to foil an A.R. - all is good.
If he stops for dinner in a tavern all is good.
If he stops to drink beer in a tavern - he can NOT carry, - but if he foils an A.R. in the bar while drinking beer he will get a letter of commendation, no criminal charge, but would probably also be disciplined.
The only time a cop can carry off duty drinking beer in a bar is if the Chief has given special permission for full time off duty carry - (usually because of pager call back, threats from a scrote, etc.)
The Chief can also authorize non standard firearms,and dictate and alter off duty carry policy and not allow carry to a civilian range etc.
- Location
- St. Paul AB
I know not every LEO around has that attitude, but I'd prefer that the RCMP, and other local law enforcement weed out guys like this. But they don't.
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themarauder
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- Location
- Just north of Toronto, thankfully.
Buddy of mine who's a local cop would love to be able to carry off duty, but can't get permission. He's also having problems getting permission to take his duty pistol with me to the range to get in some practise. I guess the local powers that be don't want their LEOs running around off duty with their pistol.
Ironically enough my friend is completely against civilian CCW.
If I do take him to the range I'll have to buy ammo for him as well, since he's got no PAL. I was actually pretty suprised that the cops don't have to have their PAL, always figured they'd have to.
Ironically enough my friend is completely against civilian CCW.
If I do take him to the range I'll have to buy ammo for him as well, since he's got no PAL. I was actually pretty suprised that the cops don't have to have their PAL, always figured they'd have to.
From my observation it is definately all over the place:
My cousin is a city cop and she has to leave her sidearm at home at the end of the day.
Her husband had his life threatened by people who are known to carry through on their threats so he got permission to carry all the time.
A friend who is a NRO gets to bring his gun home with him and shows up to the range with boxes and boxes of ammo provided for his training.
None have a PAL/RPAL or even an interest in firearms so they can't even buy ammo let alone a firearm.
My cousin is a city cop and she has to leave her sidearm at home at the end of the day.
Her husband had his life threatened by people who are known to carry through on their threats so he got permission to carry all the time.
A friend who is a NRO gets to bring his gun home with him and shows up to the range with boxes and boxes of ammo provided for his training.
None have a PAL/RPAL or even an interest in firearms so they can't even buy ammo let alone a firearm.
NOR SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO. If we can't, then they shouldn't be able to either. No ones life is more important than anothers. If I can't carry a firearm for self defense, then they shouldn't be able to either when not on shift.
IF it is wrong, then it NEEDS to be changed to paint us ALL with the same brush. I would rather NONE have it then only LEO's.
1) Well that is ME everyday in Toronto. If they can for that reason, then so should we all be able to.
2) It should be up to all of us.
Well, try to change it so that everyone else, including you guys, gets this right to protect yourself and your family.
EXCELLENT!!! That is the way it should be, considering the rest of us would get way worse.
1) He should be fired.
2) It's too easy to make comments about the RCMP lately, why add to that.
3) Well then not all LE, but those some that have their duty weapon on them when they are not on shift need to be fired and treated just like if you or I were caught carrying a loaded handgun.
And rightly so, perhaps if one was taken down in a massive SWAT offensive like what would happen to you or I maybe some fairness would occur.
Well that's the point, you should not accept that they can and you cannot. They can and you cannot are not mutually exclusive. It should be that either both of you can, or both of you cannot.
Your buddy is a complete IDIOT. I am GLAD that he is having trouble getting permission to practice with you at YOUR range. Why you would take him is beyond me. I could not hang around with someone who thinks he is so much better than me, or that his life is that much more important than mine. I hope you charge him a HEFTY premium for the ammo. I guess you must also load his gun for him, stand right over him when he shoots since you are not allowed to give ammo to someone without a PAL unless they are under your DIRECT supervision.
And that is insulting to us knobs everywhere.
- Location
- Peace River, Alberta
He has more issues than just being a knob
Actually he sounds like an uneducated selfish cheap knob to me.
Greg
Actually he sounds like an uneducated selfish cheap knob to me.
Greg
CFO has the ultimate authority on CCW, police officers and security personnel are the only exampted while they are on duty and it only applies to their assigned firearm. there no such thing as a back up piece tuck in the ankle holster.
When they are OFF DUTY they are just like every other civilan, their assign firearm stays locked up in station. the only exception is if they had RPAL and LATT, they may get permission from their superiers to take their assigned firearm home, even than they still have to follow proper restricted transport regulation, that means trigger locked and stored in a lock case.
When they are OFF DUTY they are just like every other civilan, their assign firearm stays locked up in station. the only exception is if they had RPAL and LATT, they may get permission from their superiers to take their assigned firearm home, even than they still have to follow proper restricted transport regulation, that means trigger locked and stored in a lock case.
You can get anything in Colt LE line. 6920, 6921 etc. I know someone that order the new 11.5" Commando.
AFAIK the end users name has to be on a an official memo with a BOR stamp stating that the rifle will be to improve your shooting skills as a soldier or something along those lines. I'm sure there are Military members on here that have more info on the matter.
Ahhh, this thread is deja vu, all over again. Welcome back to the years 1999, 2001, 2004, and 2007 when this was discussed the first time and numerous times since, ad nauseum.
So here we have again, the same remarks being made without any type of knowledge or expertise in the subject matter. Simply people making comments that are totally wrong, but are made with enough conviction to prove how ****** they really are.
So here we have again, the same remarks being made without any type of knowledge or expertise in the subject matter. Simply people making comments that are totally wrong, but are made with enough conviction to prove how ****** they really are.
Exactly where I was going to head with that...
I believe, in the technical writing of the CCC officers can carry at all times as they are entrusted to act upon their duty at any time. However, I think it's usually the policy of each independent force which dictates when an officer may or may not carry when not "On duty"
- Location
- Off the "X"
Well, despite the fact that cops (except certain particular cases, apparently) cannot carry off duty, some do anyways... It would be a pretty interesting thing for a cop to rat out or charge one of his own for doing something like this. Any complaints would get a "We'll deal with it at once" and swept under the rug.
Don't assume that just because you have a buddy that carries off duty, he's allowed to.
Don't assume that just because you have a buddy that carries off duty, he's allowed to.
- Location
- Off the "X"
Oh, and many officers I work with will wear their uniform home and are allowed to carry their piece until their arrival.
Apparently (and don't quote me on this, it's heresay), there's a clause in the Act that states that Peace Officers are deamed to be on duty until they arrive home or another place away from work after their shift.
Apparently (and don't quote me on this, it's heresay), there's a clause in the Act that states that Peace Officers are deamed to be on duty until they arrive home or another place away from work after their shift.
My infomation was given to me by a member of the Vancouver police who was sitting beside me during my PAL\RPAL course, when I first heard I thought it was silly, so I aked a friend who is member of Richmond RCMP detachment who confirmed the story.
His assigned firearm is locked in his office drawer when he goes home everynight. Just like when he graduated from depot, he was given his duty ammo to take back home, but the firearm was shipped via courier to his detachment. The only person in his detachment that was allow to take his firearm home is the detachment shooting instructor, who had all his paper work just like you and I.
His assigned firearm is locked in his office drawer when he goes home everynight. Just like when he graduated from depot, he was given his duty ammo to take back home, but the firearm was shipped via courier to his detachment. The only person in his detachment that was allow to take his firearm home is the detachment shooting instructor, who had all his paper work just like you and I.
