About the girl killed by coyotes.....

up in northern ontario, a friend of mine owned a few dobermans and the coyotes killed one, they sent one coyote in to play with the dog and then it would run back into the woods luring it to where the rest of the pack was and then all attacked the doberman.

i wonder how many people have to be attacked before we are allowed to carry for wilderness protection, lol with our gov they will justify banning firearms will stop coyote attacks
 
There was between 10 and 12 possibly more all together when these went down.
All feeding together on a bait pile. Rather large quite dark eastern coyotes.
Many times I've seen 6 together but never this many. As a side note I knew one woman who walked the woods on a daily basis and when her dog was attacked by a coyote she recieved a few nasty bites trying to separate them (which she did) she ended up having to take the Rabies shots as a precaution.
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They sure don't look like our western coyotes. They resemble wolves; the tail, color and face, is more like our wolves.
 
These are kind of run of the mill over here they come in all color phases I have included a pic showing such. Some get close to 50 lbs around here. though the average is 36.
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In South-Eastern Labrador where I grew up there were no coyotes, caribou or deer. However, there were plenty of wolves and bears. I think that the wolves basically kept the Coyotes at bay.
 
riden said:
They are definitely bigger than western coyotes.. I am pretty sure it has been established now that they interbred with wolves.
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They are much bigger than western coyotes and are getting more brazen and less shy around humans.

There was one by our shop the other night at 2 in the morning. I got out of the truck and got within 50ft of it before it moved away. It didn't run off, just moved out of reach and even after I chased it on foot, it still hung around clearly in sight.

Here's one I shot about 12yrs ago.

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I have a place (cottage ) up close to Algonquin park and the wolves and coyotes are both there. I have pictures of both. The MNR recently (last 2 or 3 years) has required hunters to have a liecence to hunt them both species. I think the idea is to limit the timber wolf kills and a lot of hunters can't seem to tell the differance between coyotes and wolfs so the only option is to limit the liecence two per year . The townships that border the park are closed and there is no shortage of coyotes.
 
^ IMO this is an issue, there's lots of hunters I know that WON'T pay extra for the license, but in previous years wouldn't hesitate taking a coyote, or wolf if presented with a shot. Just to give an example it was the norm for my buddys moose group to take 3-4 coyotes a season, and a wolf about every second year just by chance.
 
No matter what their "Traditional" behavior may be.... we cannot evade the facts:

They are : 1) Wild dogs 2) Carnivores

And no....I'm not a biologist...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express ;)
 
Jimbobob08 said:
^ IMO this is an issue, there's lots of hunters I know that WON'T pay extra for the license, but in previous years wouldn't hesitate taking a coyote, or wolf if presented with a shot. Just to give an example it was the norm for my buddys moose group to take 3-4 coyotes a season, and a wolf about every second year just by chance.
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General feeling amongst some of the locals up there as well!!
 
Jimbobob08 said:
^ IMO this is an issue, there's lots of hunters I know that WON'T pay extra for the license, but in previous years wouldn't hesitate taking a coyote, or wolf if presented with a shot.
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If people aren't willing to spend even 20$ (its free in BC and AB and 9.75$ in ON) to solve (shoot) a problem (wolf) then it doesn't sound like much of a problem to me.

762nato said:
No trying to be a pig but wonder if she was menstrating, that odour has been known to cause bears to attack?
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It's an urban (rural?) myth based on a menstruating woman being attacked in Glacier National park. Polar bears show some interest, but black and grizzly bears are indifferent to menstrual blood.
http://www.yellowstone-natl-park.com/bearsmen.pdf
http://www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin/tpl/Downloads/URSUS/Vol_5/Cushing_Vol_5.pdf
 
jaydog said:
If people aren't willing to spend even 20$ (its free in BC and AB and 9.75$ in ON) to solve (shoot) a problem (wolf) then it doesn't sound like much of a problem to me.

I dont understand what your getting at, why wouldn't it be a problem? Local hunters from what i've seen don't directly target wolf or coy, the only time they'll take them is by chance while after other game. Most of these people will not be bothered to pay extra to do a good thing. Also lets look at trapping in ontario, fur prices are anything but good, and costs are very high, especially with the new trap laws in effect. IMO this leaves a population of wild animals with little threat fairly unmanaged. The system is flawed. I understand the MNR wants to protect timber wolves, but this isn't the right way, and IMO the wolf population is fine to start with.
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H4831 said:
It is the protection of being in the parks is what has done it.
It was nearly forty years ago that I first observed, and told anyone who would listen, that black bears in National Parks were so unafraid of people that they could easily become dangerous to humans.
It is now obvious that black bears are so used to people not harming them, anywhere they go, especially around towns or the outskirts of cities, that they definetely can be dangerous.
The same thing is happening to wolves and coyotes.
There is a fair chance the girl was feeding the coyotes that attacked her.
I am doing my part to keep wild animals wild, and by so doing they will be respected for what the are; wild, smart, cunning and a joy to see and observe. Who wants to observe, or can admire, a wolf, coyote or bear that is slinking around someones back yard?
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Very well put!
 
Until about 25 years ago there were no coyotes in the east, however due to the decline in the wolf populations they migrated. Unfortunatly they interbred with dogs and the result was a larger more aggessive coyote that didn't have an inbred fear of man. Their population in NS is growing very rapidly with no preditors to keep them in check and minimal hunting
 
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