Which round is best in your opinion ?

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Hi there,
Just bought a remington 700 sps-dm in .270,went to zero it and was not completely happy,read tons of stuff about the 700 accuracy etc so it's either me or the 'cheapish' ($20.99 for 20) remington core-lokt psp-cl 130gms I used.
So to my question which ammo for this rifle is the best,mind you I don't want a bank loan to buy some and I don't re-load.
Thanks
TM.
 
All i can suggest is get several different brands etc and see what works, there is a you tube vid where this guy is shooting a M48 mauser, and he is using 5 differnt brands of 8mm, and each groupd differnt.
 
Who mounted the scope? What kind of scope is it? Is it level? What ranges did you shoot from? Was it that the gun wasn't shooting where you were pointing? Or did the accuracy just plain suck?
 
i've got roughly 6 rifles in 308 winchester, i reload, and each takes a different "recipie" - there's no carbines in that bunch either- all rifle barrels- that means 20-22 inches or more- what does that tell you?- each gun is an INDIVIDUAL - you either have to monkey with different loadings or different manufacturers or both until you find the "sweet spot"
 
I sight in rifles for friends with no time and some Remingtons shoot 5 inch groups at 100 yards. Some shoot better using $52 a box ammo, to get it down to 2 - 3 inches. I found that the 270 and 30-06 are the fussiest.
First clean it with CR-10 till no more blue comes out, then oil it. Then buy some win white box 130 gr $21. Test it. Then try some win Ballistic tip 130gr @ $43, test it. 3 shot groups.
Most experiments with the Ballistic tip are inside 3 inches.
The only way to trim that down is to reload and even then it may only shrink to 2 inches, although I have seen a Rem 700 270 shoot under 1 inch once.
Do all testing from sturdy sandbags or a shooting rest.
Some of the 300 win mag Rem 700s I sight in shoot 1 inch groups and the next one will shoot 4 inch group. :runaway:
I haven't found any brand of hunting rifle, that they all shoot accuratly, with all brands of factory ammo.
Experiment!
 
Thanks guys,some great advice.
I had the leupold 6x36 fixed scope mounted by WWS in Lethbridge,everything seems tight etc.At 25 yards is was great under an inch in 3 shots,at about 100 yards the elevation was smack on (in the end) but it was consistently going right after 16 rounds i was about an inch out.I was aiming centrally at the bull,after every 4 shots I pulled the barrel through.I was firing in the prone postion resting on sandbags,there was no wind.
Time to experiment me thinks !!
TM.
 
Stop cleaning! Most rifles won't start shooting tight groups until they are fouled and may be able to go several hundred rounds before accuracy fall off due to fouling. Take the action out of the stock and make sure it is clean and dry then reassemble.
 
tankman said:
Thanks TGC,I'm hoping someone with a Rem.700 sps comes along and tells me what they found to be best etc.
TM.
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That's a fools game.

What shoots best in my rifle is not what will shoot best in yours.

It MAY shoot well, but maybe not.

You have to do your own leg work on this. Pick up a box or two of each of the readily available cartridges, and take them to the range on a day when you have lots of time. No point in finding out that the "best" ammo, is something you cannot ever get again. Check out the cheaper stuff first, work your way up the price list

I like to take a 22 along, so I can do some shooting, between shooting groups, because shooting groups bores me to tears, and I stop concentrating on it pretty quick after the first couple. Gives the barrel some cool down time, too.

I was pretty fond of the Federal standard ammo when I was buying pre-rolled stuff. It was reasonably priced, and shot well enough to fill my freezer a lot of years.

I saved the brass, now using it for reloading.

Price out some basic reloading stuff. If you are going to shoot a box a year, the payback is slow, but it's still there. More shooting, faster payback! Massively faster payback, if you want to shoot premium bullets.

Cheers
Trev
 
"...tells me what they found to be best..." Wouldn't matter. Every rifle will shoot any ammo differently from every other rifle. You have to try a box of as many brands and bullet weights as you can to find the ammo your rifle shoots best.
You can't sight in for somebody else either.
 
tankman said:
Hi there,
Just bought a remington 700 sps-dm in .270,went to zero it and was not completely happy,read tons of stuff about the 700 accuracy etc so it's either me or the 'cheapish' ($20.99 for 20) remington core-lokt psp-cl 130gms I used.
So to my question which ammo for this rifle is the best,mind you I don't want a bank loan to buy some and I don't re-load.
Thanks
TM.
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You may want to try out that Federal Fusion ammo. decent price and good performance in many different calibers. FS
 
Hi there,
I am surprised to hear (or read between the lines) that 2 rifles which are the same model,out of the same factory etc will shoot diferently,wouldn't quality control be interested in this in consistency ? But I will try a few different types of ammo next time.
Thanks
TM.
 
Read up a bit on Production Metrology. That's the application of dimensional tolerances and measurements to production of parts or components.

In a nutshell, that's why they shoot slightly differently.

Same reason that "stock" guns get "blueprinted" when getting them ready to build a (hopefully) more accurate rifle.

Factory guns and factory ammo are all about getting things into an acceptable area, performance-wise. Read about the guns available during the heyday and you find out that a gun that shot under an inch, out of the box, was not a common thing at all. Now you can buy guns that are expected to shoot far less than an inch, as a matter of course.

It falls in line with why there were as many gunsmiths making a living as there were, too. Factory guns during the fifties and sixties, were no screaming shakes as far as quality.

Cheers
Trev
 
I have custom target rifles made with quality benchrest barrels from the same lot, chambered with the same reamer to the same headspace. Each shoots differrent velociteis with the same ammo and requires different recipes for best accuracy.

About your testing:

Bedding. if your rifle has not been bedded, it won't shoot anywhere near its potential. I would say groups of around 2" out of the box and under an inch after bedding.

Action screws. make sure they are tight, but don't over torque the rear one.

Shooting. A production rifle will usully shift the group as it heats up. In the fall it will cool fairly quickly. Fire 3 shots only and let cool.

Aiming mark. A black square is good. You can shoot a group at each corner of the square. the scope hairs will line up on the vertical and horizontal sides of the square.

Scope bases. The bases should have blue LocTite, so they will stay tight.

Your scope is marginal in power for ammo testing. I use a 24X scope for load development and then change over to a hunting scope.

You did not mention group size. If groups are under 3" with that rig, you are good to go.
 
i shoot a Remington SPS DM in 7mm Rem Mag with no work done to it. it's bone stock. i've found the Remington Core-Lokt ammunition to group satisfactorily for my hunting purposes (about 1.5" - 2" at 100 yards, fired prone off a bipod). Federal Power Shock was ok, but niot as accurate, i think in order to get serious accuracy, you either have to buy the $80 per box ammo, or handload.
 
My ol' 270 loved the remmy core-lokts. She was under an inch. But man the federal 150's was around 4-5" at 100 yds. The Federal blue box 130's were about 3" and the winchester 130 grey box were, well, spray and pray.
 
Handloads bring out the best in any rifle,incl the .270. I've loaded for 2 of them,a Savage M110 and a Rem 700 and was able to get MOA accuracy from them both with handloads. Try a good 130gr bullet (Sierra,Nosler,Hornady)with a suitable charge of either H4831 or IMR4350.
 
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