Bill C-391 Long-Gun Registry is gone

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The federal long-gun registry moved one step closer to being abolished as MPs voted Wednesday in the House of Commons to scrap the controversial program.

With support from 18 Liberals and New Democrats, the private member's bill passed second reading 164-137, and now goes to committee.

If passed, Bill C-391 would scrap the decade-old registry and destroy existing data within the system on about seven million shotguns and rifles.
 
It certainly is on its way to being part of history but the Senate could drag it out for a long time.
I hope that Government issues a directive to the CFC to freeze the registry to prevent copies from escaping to un-friendly provinces such as Ontario and Quebec. There should be someone held responsible for ensuring that no copies of information are made.
 
just wait for the new interpretations from the Mounties on currently "non-restricted" guns, that suddenly are restricted........
 
Odinson said:
It certainly is on its way to being part of history but the Senate could drag it out for a long time.
I hope that Government issues a directive to the CFC to freeze the registry to prevent copies from escaping to un-friendly provinces such as Ontario and Quebec. There should be someone held responsible for ensuring that no copies of information are made.
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The CFC data base has been hacked many times. They have no way of freezing anything.
 
PeterPan said:
Why?
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Agreed. Seriously: What card-carrying firearms owner actually supports the long gun registry? I've never seen us more unified on anything in my life. This is a good solid first step.

good frikken riddance! I can however see the senate playing silly bugger with this one as they are all a bunch of alcoholic appointees with too much dirt on the sitting government.

Senator Nancy Green??? I bet she demanded a stocked liquor cabinet for her office and the chambers as a condition of taking the job. We'll just have to wait and see what the corn hole committee comes up with.
 
PeterPan said:
Why?
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I remember back when we were fighting to keep our regular capacity magazines. Many of the long gun owners served us up as sacrificial lambs to try and keep their own freedoms.

Once long guns became restricted, all gun owners were united by the need to protect their own property. As long as the threat of confiscation as a result of registration loomed, everyone was united in fighting further prohibitions on firearms, fearing that they might be next.

I fear a return to the days when non-restricted firearms owners stay quiet while the rest of us fight to maintain our rights. Haven't there already been rumors of a complete handgun ban originating out of Ontario? I would wager that many (not all) of the long gun owners don't come to the defense of handgun owners when push comes to shove.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am, but I'm a "cup is half empty" kind of guy.
 
hungrybeagle said:
I remember back when we were fighting to keep our regular capacity magazines. Many of the long gun owners served us up as sacrificial lambs to try and keep their own freedoms.

Once long guns became restricted, all gun owners were united by the need to protect their own property. As long as the threat of confiscation as a result of registration loomed, everyone was united in fighting further prohibitions on firearms, fearing that they might be next.

I fear a return to the days when non-restricted firearms owners stay quiet while the rest of us fight to maintain our rights. Haven't there already been rumors of a complete handgun ban originating out of Ontario? I would wager that many (not all) of the long gun owners don't come to the defense of handgun owners when push comes to shove.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am, but I'm a "cup is half empty" kind of guy.
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I Pray your wrong Chris but I think you've predicted the future
 
hungrybeagle said:
I remember back when we were fighting to keep our regular capacity magazines. Many of the long gun owners served us up as sacrificial lambs to try and keep their own freedoms.

Once long guns became restricted, all gun owners were united by the need to protect their own property. As long as the threat of confiscation as a result of registration loomed, everyone was united in fighting further prohibitions on firearms, fearing that they might be next.

I fear a return to the days when non-restricted firearms owners stay quiet while the rest of us fight to maintain our rights. Haven't there already been rumors of a complete handgun ban originating out of Ontario? I would wager that many (not all) of the long gun owners don't come to the defense of handgun owners when push comes to shove.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am, but I'm a "cup is half empty" kind of guy.
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To stop that from happening we need to morph the debate. From the registry being a useless annoyance and waste of money for law abiding citizens.

To the ownership of firearms is part of the rights of free citizens to protect themselves. That armed law abiding citizens is an unbeatable deterrent for criminals.

That an armed citizenry is the last line of defense for a nation's freedoms against enemies foreign and domestic.

We need to assert that the ownership of firearms is not about sport.
It is about protecting our rights, protecting our freedoms and protecting our families.

This is not an easy task. The average Canadian believes freedom is being able to shop where ever and when ever they want. They do not understand the history of tyranny and oppression apposed on those who are disarmed.

True victory will not be in our grasps until we stop playing their games. Until we stop pretending our weapons are for sport only. Until we stop pretending that the federal govt administers gun control for public safety.
 
Just wait til it gets of of committee and the Senate to see what sort of amendments are made to it.

I'll believe it's for real only when it's read into law.
 
hungrybeagle said:
I remember back when we were fighting to keep our regular capacity magazines. Many of the long gun owners served us up as sacrificial lambs to try and keep their own freedoms.
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That is very, very true, but I think C68 taught them that every time any gun law is enacted or any time gun rights are beat up, they too are one step closer to the end of what they do.

Loosing the full caps and restricting ARs (along with a bunch of other crap) was the first step towards registration of hunting guns.
Next time, hopefully they'll realize that any sacrifice is a mistake.
 
Yup. While I have been thrilled to finally see the tide starting to turn in the media as more and more of the talking heads come to some level of understanding of the long gun registry's expense, its inefficiency and its punitive nature, I am at the same time deeply frustrated. Most of them are trending towards agreement now that ditching the registry seems perfectly reasonable in light of all the information they are for some reason, only now just becoming aware of. But in the same breath they state that handguns, which have been registered since 1934 will remain so and nobody bats an eye. It makes me want to scream! Are handguns more evil than long guns? Is most of the firearms community buying into that "logic?" So the idea of confiscation of one class of firearms is acceptable but its wrong for another class? I can't count how many hunters I've heard state publicly that they have no problem with banning handguns. I know that most of the members of these forums do not think that way, but I still run into this all the time....even at the shooting clubs. Man, talk about a severe case of myopia!

While I understand that this is all about small steps and the incremental marketing of an idea to an uninformed urban demographic, I do feel that we should not just be speaking about the long gun registry but rather the entirety of Bill C68. When I speak or write to my MP's, or to the media, or even to anyone in my social or profession spheres who query's me on this topic, I speak of the nature of the gun control nightmare in this country. Not just the registry.

I dunno; I feel like this hunters and farmers are now somehow seen as the honest, law abiding and hard working back bone of this country (which is true), but if you own handguns you are just some sort of antisocial redneck and it's just a matter of time before you either permit your guns to be stolen and used in a homicide, or simply snap and murder your spouse. After all, no one NEEDS and handgun, right?

Sorry. I'll stop ranting now.


hungrybeagle said:
I remember back when we were fighting to keep our regular capacity magazines. Many of the long gun owners served us up as sacrificial lambs to try and keep their own freedoms.

Once long guns became restricted, all gun owners were united by the need to protect their own property. As long as the threat of confiscation as a result of registration loomed, everyone was united in fighting further prohibitions on firearms, fearing that they might be next.

I fear a return to the days when non-restricted firearms owners stay quiet while the rest of us fight to maintain our rights. Haven't there already been rumors of a complete handgun ban originating out of Ontario? I would wager that many (not all) of the long gun owners don't come to the defense of handgun owners when push comes to shove.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am, but I'm a "cup is half empty" kind of guy.
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We just had a major victory making the next one just that much easier.

But, the fight is far from over and we must focus on the committee members, educate them, and force them to send this back for third reading as soon as possible.

Then we must again mount a huge campaign with the rural MP's of all stripes to get it passed 3rd reading and into the Senate.

Once in the Senate it will be a slam dunk because by the new year the conservatives will dominate the upper chamber. There we once again must press for fast passage otherwise if an election is called it will die.

If it dies we must insure a conservative majority because the process will have to start all over again but at least we will have the winning hand.

Celebrate but do not hibernate the battle will start raging again next week and look for a lot of Cukier hype in the media around the anniversary of the shooting at Ecole Polytechnique. (Yawn)

Prepare and arm yourselves with facts and talking points. Research the shooting and be ready for the call in shows on radio. (Try Google or contact the CSSA/NFA for details.)

Petra K.
 
300Spartans said:
That's where pressure from the federal government is needed to rein in that underhanded business.
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I wrote my MP about wwhen the RCMP was trying to reclassify formerly non-restricted firearms and when they released our info to Ekos. Just because this one small battle has been won doesn't mean we should stop fighting and become absorbed into our own little shooting generas. Keep fighting, keep writing your MPs and the media, and support your fellow shooters whether they be hunters, target shooters, or collectors. We've got this momentum going against liars like Wendy and the CBC. Let's not waste it.
 
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