M&p 40
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To answer your question...
The only full size M&P40 with a manual thumb safety that is listed in the S&W catalog is SKU#206300, which does not have an internal lock and which does not have a magazine disconnect safety.
See page nine.
Smith & Wesson 2009 Product Guide
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/2009_S&W_Catalog_1.pdf
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The only full size M&P40 with a manual thumb safety that is listed in the S&W catalog is SKU#206300, which does not have an internal lock and which does not have a magazine disconnect safety.
See page nine.
Smith & Wesson 2009 Product Guide
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/2009_S&W_Catalog_1.pdf
View 2009 Product Guide - 1/3 (4.6MB)
New Products, M&P Series, Pistols
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That is only because a Glock doesn't have one and your instructors had to come up with some reason why the Glock doesn't have a thumb safety.
Take Care
Bob
That is some funny sh*t. I was a fan of Glocks long before I participated in my first training course. Again, you fail to understand the fundamental four rules for safe firearms handling. When obeyed, a manual safety is not necessary. Manual positive safeties are insurance policies for times when the firearm is not in your direct control, such as being dropped. That being the case, most pistols have some sort of drop safety or firing pin block preventing an ND without the trigger being pulled or some other lever being depressed. Making the addition of a positive safety a useless feature. Thumb safeties and other manual safeties are best suited to those who are insecure with the handling skills or simply don't understand how their firearm works. Kind of like people who believe seat belts and airbags translate into the right to drive like an idiot.
There is no need for a positive safety on a DA/SA pistol or DAO pistol. Revolvers don't have manual safeties and neither do SIG pistols. I don't see anyone screaming about how unsafe or poorly designed they are?(Well ok, I will be the first to say that revolvers are sh*t but not because they don't have manual safeties)
TDC
This is why if I had to stick it in my pants, it would be a Mexican Carry, in the back. Not that I would ever do that anyway.
Safe firearms handling comes from the fundamental four, not mechanical devices. As far as revolvers go, they're sh*t. If you'd care to debate them I'm all ears but I can assure you they're inferior to autos in every way. For starters they consist of more parts and inferior capacities.
TDC
benmacksh
You are about to enter the all knowing fantasy world of TDC, garu to the firearms industry. Enter at your own risk. Go ahead TDC enlighten us all as to why revolvers are the end product of digestion.
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Bob
You are about to enter the all knowing fantasy world of TDC, garu to the firearms industry. Enter at your own risk. Go ahead TDC enlighten us all as to why revolvers are the end product of digestion.
Take Care
Bob
Revolvers may not be tacticool, and do have some idiosyncracies but they also have some intersting advantages (contact range shooting for example). Also, regardless of how 'inferior' they are I'm still not going to volunteer to stand in front of a revolver while it's being fired.
Tell me Bob, do revolver shooters compete with auto shooters in IDPA??? I thought not. Why is that? Right, its because they can't compete with 10 round(or more in a free country) autos that take a fraction of the time to reload, are less complicated, less prone to failure and provide a more linear recoil motion. I don't see any agency or military(of credit) that issues revolvers over autos.
As for contact distance shooting or contact shooting itself. It can be done with an auto but I do agree that the revolver holds an advantage here. However, grabbing the cylinder of a revolver renders it useless. Either way, the slim advantage of the revolver in a situation that is highly unlikely to occur does not validate its selection.
TDC
There is no need for anymore rules. The four cover all that is needed. A mechanical safety is only effective when engaged. Seeing how you disengage the mechanical safety when you draw the pistol the device becomes useless. Oddly, its only when a firearm is removed from the holster/safe/case and in the hands of a human that bad sh*t occurs. Manual safeties offer peace of mind, nothing more.
TDC
TDC your limited firearm knowledge shock me like hell. In a perfect world, there won't be any firearm accidents because of everybody able to handle the gun safely. But in our world, anybody that have a RPAL can buy a gun and play like a toy, no one can stop an idiot to buy a gun. Firearm company put safety on a firearm, even children can understand why but you don't. I highly recommend you sell all your gun and start collect stamps and match box as your hobby. By the way, no matter how smart and how carefull a person, human always make mistake. A little mistake at a golf range won't harm, but in a gun range can cause dead, by the time you get aging, you may not able to follow your fundamental four and screw up someone with your gun.
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Trigun
You're right, humans are very capable of making mistakes. The ability to oversee one(or more) of the fundamental four is no different than ones ability to oversee the use of a manual safety. The so called "accidents" are nothing more than negligence. A failure to adhere to the fundamental four. There is no one to blame but themselves. Again, read my previous post. Manual safeties are disengaged upon drawing the firearm. A firearm in your hand with the safety disengaged is no more or less safe than a pistol without a positive safety or a modern DA revolver. Should I suffer from Alzheimer's or some other mental handicap causing an ND and the injury or death of another is my problem. Firearms are a big boy activity. If you can't handle the consequences of your actions or inactions, find a new activity. I'm fully prepared to accept the consequences of my actions when using a firearm.
By your logic, no one should own firearms as the potential for mistakes makes them unsafe. Then again, if we all relied on mechanical safeties we'd be alright.
TDC
Terrific that is a start.
Well TDC I have some serious news for you. We don't give a rats a$$ how prepared you are to accept the consequences of your actions. We aren't! That is just one reason why many ranges insist on being cold ranges, why IDPA insists on it for Sanctioned Matches and why some guns come with external safeties.
You see you accepting responsibility for harming someone isn't the issue. It is the fact that someone gets harmed by your actions That is what is important.... not your stupid ego and ignorance.
At some point in your life you are going to have to leave home, get a real job and do something with your life. Until then spare us the sanctimonious lectures on all you don't know about firearms, map reading, explosives, and firearms tactics or better yet join the folks that really are experts in the fields mentioned. There are a number of them on this board and I am sure they could use your expertise.
Take Care
Bob
